Angry lifting block out dates

[wilkeliza]

Yeah, but at the core it's much simpler -- it's a theme park. Disney World. Maybe people shouldn't plan with the expectation of getting in line for the SDMT after making an 8:45 reservation at BOG, expecting to get in at 8:00 because people on the internet say you can, then expecting to get your food super fast because you have expectations of hopping out of there to be first in line to SDMT, then being mad when Disney changes the hours or the morning procedure, or the monorail is down and you get there late, or your food comes out slow or something. It comes down to the fact that the internet leads people to expect certain things that someone else pulled off, when really it was never guaranteed.

I couldn't care less about this change to APs. It won't significantly affect attendance, and if it draws a few people in to visit an extra time or two, then good for Disney. No reason to be mad because someone else will get to go to Disney World even tho this doesn't benefit me at all.

A thousand times this. A family friend is taking his little girls in August to say congratulations on their absolutely amazing prior school year (not sure they know he wanted to surprise them). He asked me for help. I started talking about fastpass and dinning reservations etc. He stopped me and said you know what I'm going to do it the way we did fairs when I was a kid. So I told him stand bye waits can be long an hour or more sometimes and he said that is okay the girls will learn to wait that is just apart of theme parks. Then I told him there were two opens for food quick service kind of fast food like where you go to a counter order, then take your food to sit or a waiter meal where you sit and someone takes your order and brings the food etc. He said great we will just get counter service! It was actually so refreshing to hear him be so positive. I told him you are in for long waits and heat and he said no problem I'll be with my little girls who will be so happy that I'm finally taking them to Disney that it won't matter. I can't wait for him to come back because I imagine he is going to still be glowing after because that is just the kind of guy he is. He doesn't care if they only get in a few rides a day he is there (and has saved for a very long time actually) to be able to make memories with his little girls while they are still little.

 

[mom2rtk]

Probably just to keep them out of MK.

I guess since they're opening the passes in all 4 parks they're not even doing that any more.

 

[ArwenMarie]

The reason I even bother to respond to this thread is to say: there are some people on this board who come here to vent occasionally (and so do I).

But there are some people, I've noticed, who are constantly negative, complaining, and angry about every perceived slight. While you can ignore them, the problem remains that people who are always angry and entitled and negative impose a cost on society, the people around them, and this community.

I hope we can be constructive here, because if Disney puts that dark a cloud over our heads with the decisions they take, then we should recognize that Disney isn't good for our wellbeing or those around us, and move on.

There are also people on these boards who never miss an opportunity to go into threads where people are genuinely upset about something and belittle them and tell them they are being ridiculous

 

[Cinderella94]

If those pass holders were going to have such a tiny impact on crowds, I wonder why Disney even bothered to block them in the first place.

Excellent point.

 

[JerseyJanice]

Attendance is actually up at Universal so you can't necessarily attribute Disney's decline to a lack of European visitors

So I guess you're trying to say that many overseas visitors are skipping Disney and NYC this summer and heading to Universal Orlando instead?

 

[Disneylover99]

Disboards is all about discussing and critiquing all aspects of Disney, from celebrating happy moments to venting about gripes of all sizes. It's a fan board after all, and fans are passionate about everything from their favorite rides to whether the resort mugs this year have handles.

Just to address the word, "anger" though. There are sometimes good reasons why people are angry at Disney. But there are even better things to be angry about in the rest of the world out there. And if Disney is the thing to be really mad about in your life, you probably have things pretty good (or you haven't been paying attention).

The reason I even bother to respond to this thread is to say: there are some people on this board who come here to vent occasionally (and so do I). But there are some people, I've noticed, who are constantly negative, complaining, and angry about every perceived slight. While you can ignore them, the problem remains that people who are always angry and entitled and negative impose a cost on society, the people around them, and this community.

I hope we can be constructive here, because if Disney puts that dark a cloud over our heads with the decisions they take, then we should recognize that Disney isn't good for our wellbeing or those around us, and move on.

You come here to vent, just as the OP did. Different things strike a nerve with different people. What angers or annoys you, may differ from others. It is dismissive to suggest that there are many things in Disney to be angry about, but this is not one of them. At least, that's how I'm reading this. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[wilkeliza]

You come here to vent, just as the OP did. Different things strike a nerve with different people. What angers or annoys you, may differ from others. It is dismissive to suggest that there are many things in Disney to be angry about, but this is not one of them. At least, that's how I'm reading this. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I took it to mean that if Disney constantly makes you as angry as to say you feel betrayed by them that perhaps it is time to take a look at your relationship with Disney and the money you give the company. There are board posters who do nothing but bash everything Disney does as a negative but still continue to throw their money at the company. I think the previous poster was saying perhaps it is time to show them how you really feel with your wallet that is the only thing that speaks to Disney.

 

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

If those pass holders were going to have such a tiny impact on crowds, I wonder why Disney even bothered to block them in the first place.

I did not think of that

I regret not riding Ellen or if I did I don't remember

 

[MrInfinity]

If those pass holders were going to have such a tiny impact on crowds, I wonder why Disney even bothered to block them in the first place.

To sell them the more expensive pass. That's why they had tiers in the first place. Once most people who were planning to go in August 6-12 months ago have long since bought the next step up, opening up August to people who have other passes will draw a small incremental crowd but not be a huge deal.

 

[CT Disney]

Yeah, but at the core it's much simpler -- it's a theme park. Disney World. Maybe people shouldn't plan with the expectation of getting in line for the SDMT after making an 8:45 reservation at BOG, expecting to get in at 8:00 because people on the internet say you can, then expecting to get your food super fast because you have expectations of hopping out of there to be first in line to SDMT, then being mad when Disney changes the hours or the morning procedure, or the monorail is down and you get there late, or your food comes out slow or something. It comes down to the fact that the internet leads people to expect certain things that someone else pulled off, when really it was never guaranteed.

I couldn't care less about this change to APs. It won't significantly affect attendance, and if it draws a few people in to visit an extra time or two, then good for Disney. No reason to be mad because someone else will get to go to Disney World even tho this doesn't benefit me at all.

I hope this post wasn't pointed at me because I'm not one to get mad over Disney stuff in general. I was just pointing out that I can understand the frustration when Disney wants / expects / encourages you to plan so far in advance...and then they change things in the eleventh hour.

This AP blackout change doesn't affect me as I don't have a trip planned this year. I do, however, have a trip planned during the first week of August next year. I think that you are correct in that the internet and message boards have set up expectations that may not be reasonable. But, I still think it's more than that. Disney has set up this huge system where planning is vital for most folks. It's great when people can waltz into Disney with no plans and be happy. But, the reality is that most people need to plan pretty heavily, because most people are not content to wait in super long lines and people-watch all day.

It's frustrating when you set plans 180 or 60 days in advance and then Disney changes things up just days before a trip. Not saying that this particular AP issue is that huge...but I do see this as an issue overall.

 

[mom2rtk]

To sell them the more expensive pass. That's why they had tiers in the first place. Once most people who were planning to go in August 6-12 months ago have long since bought the next step up, opening up August to people who have other passes will draw a small incremental crowd but not be a huge deal.

And now the ones who paid more for the next higher pass get to be upset they bought a higher level pass than they needed.

Disney needs bodies in the parks right now. That's what it boils down to. And there will be more bodies. How many remains to be seen.

 

[SimonSez]

I can understand those that would be annoyed if you're paying for airfare and all this and now would have an extra 70k people in the park with you. But that's not the case at all.

They lifted a 10 day blackout ban just days in advance. This means the average family is not all of a sudden getting online and booking a trip days out just because of this lift. If they were planning on coming say Aug 11th when the original blackout is lifted, that's when their still coming. This lift mainly benefits locals, a change in crowds that no one will notice.

I'm 2 hours away and already planned to come up on the 11th when my silver pass originally was lifted. I'm 99% sure I'm not coming up sooner than that. While some locals will of course hit the parks, not everyone will.

If they lifted the Christmas/NYE blackout, then I'd understand. But for anyone traveling 8/1-8/10, your trip won't be affected at all. You'll have a great time in the parks. The heat will affect you more than crowds

My brother is a local, and he doesn't like going in summer due to the heat. We usually book in summer because a couple of us are in school right now. He will tour with us when we go, but he would avoid it like the plague if we weren't there. There's others like him I'm sure. Lol, our trip is the very dates that were lifted, but we're used to summer crowds as we're August people. CAS239, you're arriving the day we leave. If we pass each other, you'll know us by the sad looks on our faces

 

[scrapquitler]

So now they learn that they could have paid the cheaper price without the block outs. Raw deal.

Everybody LOVES the pixie dust, except when somebody else gets it and they don't. The silver passholders got a little bit of pixie dust. So what?

 

[MrInfinity]

Disney has set up this huge system where planning is vital for most folks. It's great when people can waltz into Disney with no plans and be happy. But, the reality is that most people need to plan pretty heavily, because most people are not content to wait in super long lines and people-watch all day.

It's frustrating when you set plans 180 or 60 days in advance and then Disney changes things up just days before a trip. Not saying that this particular AP issue is that huge...but I do see this as an issue overall.

It's not pointed at you, more just thoughts off the top of my head... I don't see the vital aspect to the planning, and I hope we never become such that we can't enjoy Disney World without it. Don't get me wrong we plan plenty, and that gets us lots of advantage, but we are the exception and not the norm. Millions of people go to Disney World never having heard of Touring Plans, without a spreadsheet, and have wonderful times.

The assertion that if you don't "plan pretty heavily" you will just have to people watch as your enjoyment goes back to the founding days of the Dis. (oh, the days of talking about how terrible life would be with 3 Fast Passes) We've taken trips with minimal planning and had a blast. You could send me there tomorrow with nothing and we'd have a great time! We've also had EMH days change up at the last minute, even changed during our trip, not get notified, and show up to find out we were late to a park.

And now the ones who paid more for the next higher pass get to be upset they bought a higher level pass than they needed.

Anyone "gets to be upset" at anything they want. To each his own. Someone else getting an extra day to go to Disney World on their AP is just not something that upsets me. I got a value I was happy with for a price I was happy with.

 

[scrapquitler]

It's rather comical but DGD (who is 9) loves both the rides that are closing down. She was quite upset with the news. She won't be back till October, well after they are closed. She was doubly upset because we skipped both rides on our trip in June. So often we just say, oh, we'll catch that one next time. We really need to learn not to do that.

Both these rides are favorites of my 14 year old son. We always ride them because of that. We have been hearing the rumors swirling for a while, so when we were there in June we decided to do each of them twice, even though nothing had been announced yet, just in case. We are very happy that we did! Now when we go in September, we won't have the option of either. Its a good reminder not to keep saying " next time!"

 

[DLgal]

Disboards is all about discussing and critiquing all aspects of Disney, from celebrating happy moments to venting about gripes of all sizes. It's a fan board after all, and fans are passionate about everything from their favorite rides to whether the resort mugs this year have handles.

Just to address the word, "anger" though. There are sometimes good reasons why people are angry at Disney. But there are even better things to be angry about in the rest of the world out there. And if Disney is the thing to be really mad about in your life, you probably have things pretty good (or you haven't been paying attention).

The reason I even bother to respond to this thread is to say: there are some people on this board who come here to vent occasionally (and so do I). But there are some people, I've noticed, who are constantly negative, complaining, and angry about every perceived slight. While you can ignore them, the problem remains that people who are always angry and entitled and negative impose a cost on society, the people around them, and this community.

I hope we can be constructive here, because if Disney puts that dark a cloud over our heads with the decisions they take, then we should recognize that Disney isn't good for our wellbeing or those around us, and move on.

Why do you assume that people who get angry at Disney don't ALSO get angry about "better things?" I can't stand when people online get so high and mighty and dismissive towards people who express anger or frustration at something that they judge as "not worthy." Maybe it's not worthy to YOU, but that doesn't make it less worthy to the person who is having the feelings. It is not right to tell other people that their feelings are wrong or not justified because you have deemed that there are more important things to be upset about. Of COURSE there are more important things to worry about. There always will be, but that doesn't mean you are only allowed to get upset at global level injustices.

My teenager got mad yesterday because I asked him to help me unload the car after a trip to Costco and he was busy on the computer. Because he is a teenager. Do you think I belittled him and told him he had no right to be upset because there are bigger injustices in the world? Of course not. I said "I understand you are annoyed, and that's okay, but you are part of a family and everyone has to help out, so you can be angry about it while you help bring thing inside."

Which is why I agree with the OP here. Disney pulled something shady in the name of good PR, but at its core, it's an attempt to repair the damage they have done by continuing to raise prices while lessening the guest experience. They claim they wanted lower crowds...which is b.s. because what they are really after is higher spending. But maybe they reached the limits to what they can charge and people ARE finally voting with their wallets and taking their business elsewhere. Disney is playing a dangerous game here. Catering to the high spenders is gonna backfire when your product doesn't justify those high price tags. So now they are scrambling to make up for the fact that their pricing structure has come back to bite them and Pandora (not surprisingly) has NOT had the impact they were hoping for, as it has not driven organic attendance growth (but rather shifted crowds to AK while lowering attendance numbers at the other 3 parks). This is not what Disney had forecast. Serves them right, IMO.

 

[scrapquitler]

A thousand times this. A family friend is taking his little girls in August to say congratulations on their absolutely amazing prior school year (not sure they know he wanted to surprise them). He asked me for help. I started talking about fastpass and dinning reservations etc. He stopped me and said you know what I'm going to do it the way we did fairs when I was a kid. So I told him stand bye waits can be long an hour or more sometimes and he said that is okay the girls will learn to wait that is just apart of theme parks. Then I told him there were two opens for food quick service kind of fast food like where you go to a counter order, then take your food to sit or a waiter meal where you sit and someone takes your order and brings the food etc. He said great we will just get counter service! It was actually so refreshing to hear him be so positive. I told him you are in for long waits and heat and he said no problem I'll be with my little girls who will be so happy that I'm finally taking them to Disney that it won't matter. I can't wait for him to come back because I imagine he is going to still be glowing after because that is just the kind of guy he is. He doesn't care if they only get in a few rides a day he is there (and has saved for a very long time actually) to be able to make memories with his little girls while they are still little.

Reading this makes me happy!! I love his attitude and I wish more people would adopt it.

 

[SimonSez]

That's just about where we've gotten. There is a long list of things that are gone because of folks complaining that they didn't get their pixie dust during their trip

This! There's so many folks who never even get the chance to go to WDW

 

[Disneylover99]

Why do you assume that people who get angry at Disney don't ALSO get angry about "better things?" I can't stand when people online get so high and mighty and dismissive towards people who express anger or frustration at something that they judge as "not worthy." Maybe it's not worthy to YOU, but that doesn't make it less worthy to the person who is having the feelings. It is not right to tell other people that their feelings are wrong or not justified because you have deemed that there are more important things to be upset about. Of COURSE there are more important things to worry about. There always will be, but that doesn't mean you are only allowed to get upset at global level injustices.

Yep. I agree!

 

[bryanb]

Why do you assume that people who get angry at Disney don't ALSO get angry about "better things?" I can't stand when people online get so high and mighty and dismissive towards people who express anger or frustration at something that they judge as "not worthy." Maybe it's not worthy to YOU, but that doesn't make it less worthy to the person who is having the feelings. It is not right to tell other people that their feelings are wrong or not justified because you have deemed that there are more important things to be upset about. Of COURSE there are more important things to worry about. There always will be, but that doesn't mean you are only allowed to get upset at global level injustices.

My teenager got mad yesterday because I asked him to help me unload the car after a trip to Costco and he was busy on the computer. Because he is a teenager. Do you think I belittled him and told him he had no right to be upset because there are bigger injustices in the world? Of course not. I said "I understand you are annoyed, and that's okay, but you are part of a family and everyone has to help out, so you can be angry about it while you help bring thing inside."

Which is why I agree with the OP here. Disney pulled something shady in the name of good PR, but at its core, it's an attempt to repair the damage they have done by continuing to raise prices while lessening the guest experience. They claim they wanted lower crowds...which is b.s. because what they are really after is higher spending. But maybe they reached the limits to what they can charge and people ARE finally voting with their wallets and taking their business elsewhere. Disney is playing a dangerous game here. Catering to the high spenders is gonna backfire when your product doesn't justify those high price tags. So now they are scrambling to make up for the fact that their pricing structure has come back to bite them and Pandora (not surprisingly) has NOT had the impact they were hoping for, as it has not driven organic attendance growth (but rather shifted crowds to AK while lowering attendance numbers at the other 3 parks). This is not what Disney had forecast. Serves them right, IMO.

Wow, now that's a rant!