Seven Dwarfs Loading - Bizarre Things

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This past week, I was at Magic Kingdom with my 4-year old son and my 3-year old niece, both who wanted to ride SDMT. I had to choose one to ride with, so I rode with my niece and had my son sit ahead of me with a single rider. My son never stops talking and chattered away to this poor man for the entire ride - he was probably ready to rip his ears off by the end. I did try to apologize as we disembarked, but this man was practically running for the exit.

I literally opened this thread just to see if the gentleman had posted on here about the us.
 
Let's be honest, we've all been annoyed when we've waited over and hour in line and we're almost at the front and you see car after car with an empty seat go past, whether you admit it or not!
Hmmm... not I... I don't wait >1hr for rides, and don't ever remember being annoyed seeing an empty seat. I'm not looking out for that sort of thing. :)

In all seriousness, Disney is in entertainment and customer service in these parks. They accommodate ALL SORTS of requests -- reasonable and not. They err on the side of not offending and being accommodating. I suspect that 9 times out of ten, a request to not have an adult stranger ride next to one's minor child is honored. As a CM told a PP, a manager said it was a "training" issue when they had to escalate before having their request met.

I maintain that it is in Disney's interest to honor this request. If ONLY to avoid having to defend against lawsuits -- bad publicity and all -- even if they are 100% not required to accommodate. That DOES NOT make it Disney's requirement to honor... nor does it make Disney the parent instead of the actual parent. It's ultimately up to the parent if the child rides under whatever circumstance. In the real world, it is still good business for Disney to try to accommodate.
 
Yes, but the difference lies, to me, in that this is not "a need." It is a request. Because there are ways around it. One parent with two children = two children ride together, parent rides solo. One parent with three children = two kids ride together, adult rides with one kid. One parent and four kids = kids ride two and two, adult rides solo.

Of course, if any child is violated on a ride, that is despicable and traumatic - I'm certainly not disputing that.

Rider switch is not a need either. It's something nice that Disney does for families with small children under the height requirement. Just as accommodating the parents who request this would be. And ditto for solo adult riders who may be leery about riding with a young child
 
This past week, I was at Magic Kingdom with my 4-year old son and my 3-year old niece, both who wanted to ride SDMT. I had to choose one to ride with, so I rode with my niece and had my son sit ahead of me with a single rider. My son never stops talking and chattered away to this poor man for the entire ride - he was probably ready to rip his ears off by the end. I did try to apologize as we disembarked, but this man was practically running for the exit.

I literally opened this thread just to see if the gentleman had posted on here about the us.
Question about this... I don't know the answer for sure... could you have (i.e. would Disney have let you) sat the kids next to one another, with you seated immediately behind them? You're the adult responsible for both of them, and from that vantage point you could watch them both, without having another adult in that position. Logically, either you being BEHIND the kids counts as you supervising them per Disney, OR Disney effectively put that gentleman in charge of riding with your son (i.e. satisfying the "under 7 must ride with an adult" rule)...

My kids are 19mos apart, but this issue just didn't come up when they were that young. However, I am certain that a similar situation did arise when they were, say 5 and 6.5. Both under 7, but they sat next to each other while I sat where I could see them.
 
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Rider switch is not a need either. It's something nice that Disney does for families with small children under the height requirement. Just as accommodating the parents who request this would be. And ditto for solo adult riders who may be leery about riding with a young child
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Rider switch is not a need either. It's something nice that Disney does for families with small children under the height requirement. Just as accommodating the parents who request this would be. And ditto for solo adult riders who may be leery about riding with a young child
Yes, and if rider switch went away, I would say the same thing. It's not a need. You can say "Disney makes many accommodations" and that's true. But to say "Disney accommodates many needs" and mention rider switch or the topic of this thread, doesn't match up for me. I do agree that it would be nice of them to do. But not doing it doesn't mean Disney is disallowing people something they need.
 
But not doing it doesn't mean Disney is disallowing people something they need.
I agree with that. It's still good business for Disney to do -- not just "nice" for them to do. There is self-interest there -- which is probably why they do appear to generally accommodate such requests.
 


I've only had an awkward experience involving another guest once...on ToT. When dh and I went back in May, I was seated next to him and a girl that looked to be in her 20's. Once the ride first dropped, she wrapped both her arms around me and started screaming, and did this for the remainder of the lifts and drops of the ride, at one point pulling the back of my shirt at the neck. She was much smaller than me and I shouted stop a few times. After the ride, I noticed she did not speak English as she was speaking to a girl seated next to her so I didn't bother confronting her. It made for a strange fast pass photo!
 
I once rode Primeval Whirl with two young girls (maybe 7 or 8). They were total strangers, and we were whirled into one another. I felt like it was odd. The girls were not the least bit awkward, but I was. I was of course not a predator - but someone else could have been.
 
Yes, and if rider switch went away, I would say the same thing. It's not a need. You can say "Disney makes many accommodations" and that's true. But to say "Disney accommodates many needs" and mention rider switch or the topic of this thread, doesn't match up for me. I do agree that it would be nice of them to do. But not doing it doesn't mean Disney is disallowing people something they need.

Ok, I'll agree with that. Rider switch isn't a need and these types of requests aren't needs. But it is something nice Disney can do for people
 
Wow, OP, sorry you had those issues. I have never had any problems as a single rider on any Disney or Universal ride. Perhaps it is because I am a middle aged woman? I have never been concerned about it either.

Doesn't Primeval whirl have 2 separate restraint systems? I have been seated with 2 in the other section before and don't remember a problem.
 
This only reinforces my opinion. Disney shouldn't require solos to share seats. They should ask, and most people will be fine. But odd numbered parties are a fact of life in the world, and if it slows down the ride line a bit, then that's a reasonable price to pay. The discomfort some might feel in riding with a stranger -- regardless of the situation -- should be more important than someone having to wait the extra 20 seconds for the next cart or whatever.

My guess is that most people would be okay if they were asked about sharing the cart, but I think it should be asked, not enforced or assumed.
 
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I know these lines get long and they need to move people along, etc. I get all of that, but I think Disney needs to rethink sitting people with strangers. :) I can see altercations and lawsuits coming out of this with just the right person. Does this kind of stuff happen frequently or did we just get "those people"?

Last time I was in Disney was right after this was built. The family went back to the hotel and I stayed for the rest of the party. I was in line for the ride and told them it was just me. I was sat with a kid about 5 years old who was scared out of his mind. I was trying to talk to him so he would not be so scared and his parents went ballistic because I am a stranger. I totally understood that. I apologized and told them I was just trying to help him not be scared. When the ride was over, we got off and right after you exit, his dad got about 6 inches from my face, dropped a 4 letter word several times and told me to find my own children to coddle.

My sister was in Disney last week (so rude, she went solo for 3 days) and had two awkward experiences on this ride. Both times while loading, she was placed on with a child she did not know.

First ride, child is about 7 - 9. Child kept turning around to see his parents in the row behind him and at some point, the child managed to hit his face on something. His mouth started bleeding. My sister had no idea what happened. She said it was after going through the mine, close to the end. Child starts crying. She looks over to ask him if he is okay and the parents from behind start yelling at my sister, "what did you do to him?" When the ride was over the mom was glaring at my sister and my sister told her she did not do anything to the boy, but he kept trying to turn around and he hurt himself. The mother was threatening to cause my sister bodily harm (whip her bottom, so to speak) and said she was going to call the cops on her. My sister asked her if she needed to use her phone. LOL Anyhow, the father pulled the mother away and that was the end of that.

Second ride, child between 10 - 12. My sister said she was talkative, lots of energy. She said the girl seemed real sweet, but after the last ordeal, she was hugging her side of the ride and not talking to her much. She said when they got off, a woman the girl called "aunt XXXX" got in my sister's face and asked her if she had something against xxxxxx people (listing an ethnicity/classification). My sister told her 'not at all' and asked the lady not to take it personal. My sister tried to explain about her experience earlier in the day and the woman was calling her some names. My sister just said, "I am sorry if I have offended you somehow, that was not my intent. Have a magical day" and she turned and walked away. This lady started following her around for about 10 minutes. My sister finally turned and looked at the woman and said, "can I help you with something?" and the other guest told her she was going to whip her (backside) and she was just trying to find the right place. My sister told her to "begone" or she will have security involved so they can escort her out of the park for harassment. The other guest got about 3 inches from my sister and said, "you better watch your back" and she walked away. A CM saw that one and asked my sister what was going on. She told the CM and said security was called in that situation, but my sister did not stick around to find out what happened. She had a ride to catch.

KyleAfterAWhile, I was horrified to read what you and your family had to go through. I can't imagine being in the same situations, and handling each with the same dignity and grace that both of you did. I'm genuinely sad that you and your sister had those experiences.
 
Mine Train puts strangers together all of the time. That's why the lines are numbered 1 and 2. Groups consisting of odd numbers of people go in the 1 line. Evens go in the 2 line. My husband often gets put with strangers - he is the odd one when there are just 3 of us.

He was seated with a child we didn't know on Mine Train last year. She cried the entire ride - which I know is short - but still. It's not good parenting to put your kid in that situation. If your kids outnumber the adults, pass on that ride.

I hate to hear that there have been bad situations. However, I'm a single mom with three kids - we all love the rides, unfortunately i have had back surgery and have to stay off the roller coasters.

They have no issue riding alone - they are all under 12 years of age. They are polite, not scared (I would not send them on a ride if they were scared) and excited to be on the rides. I truly hope Disney doesn't change the policy as I know there are quite a few parents out there that would have to make their kids miss out on a lot of fun.

Also, This might be one of the cases where rider switch may be a "need" if my older son was to switch and ride twice... one time with each one of the younger ones. Agree, "need" is probably a strong word - but when we invest as much money as we do into the Disney trip, this type accommodation is what can make some rides possible for the non-typical/non-2 parent households possible. Love that Disney thinks of this!

I do wait in line with them and make sure they get on coaster with no issues, then Disney CM show me the quick way out for those that have to "opt out".
 
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Rider switch is not a need either. It's something nice that Disney does for families with small children under the height requirement. Just as accommodating the parents who request this would be. And ditto for solo adult riders who may be leery about riding with a young child
Rider switch is a safety measure. It keeps too small people out of the line and prevents them from being snuck on the ride. Because that would happen, we all know people would try and some would be successful. Do they have to let the adult staying with the kid ride through fp- no but it probably prevents more problems than it causes.
 
I have to ask myself sometimes why statistically it is rare for children to be preyed upon by strangers. Is it because those awful people are rare in the world or is it because parents are vigilant?
I like to believe that most people are good, but part of me says No way, watch your babies every second. It's very conflicting.
Because abusers tend to groom their prey. They make it so the child will not fight back or tell. It's psychological. It has nothing to do with how vigilant the parents are. A coach a teacher a neighbor a family member all people a parent would trust all many many many more times likely to abuse a child than a stranger sitting on a ride (or anywhere) at Disney
 
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, and I admit I've never been on the Stitch attraction. I've seen photos. Aren't the seats arranged in long rows? So one parent could sit on either end with all of their children between them? Again, please forgive any misunderstanding I have of this attraction setup.
Yes it is set up that way.
 
This only reinforces my opinion. Disney shouldn't require solos to share seats. They should ask, and most people will be fine. But odd numbered parties are a fact of life in the world, and if it slows down the ride line a bit, then that's a reasonable price to pay. The discomfort some might feel in riding with a stranger -- regardless of the situation -- should be more important than someone having to wait the extra 20 seconds for the next cart or whatever.

My guess is that most people would be okay if they were asked about sharing the cart, but I think it should be asked, not enforced or assumed.

I agree with this. And if anything, I certainly think that if someone asks to be solo, they should be accommodated (adult or child)
 
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