Haunted Mansion change alt cue line

Mickeyfan please contact the 2 names I sent you. This should not be happening to anyone. I do not have low vision but am hard of hearing as well as mobility challenged and I have a difficult time in low light areas because I can't see CMs lips so don't always hear what is being said to me. I would be very upset if a CM hassled me because of it.

I am going to as soon as I get home. I don't want to do it from this touch pad' I hate it for emails (actually for any typing ) I will be going home on Wed. I plan on emailing Wed night. I also want to find out if I can get something from my optho doc to send along in a hard copied letter. I see him every 6 months & am due for a visit anyway.
Thank you again for the names!
 
I am going to as soon as I get home. I don't want to do it from this touch pad' I hate it for emails (actually for any typing ) I will be going home on Wed. I plan on emailing Wed night. I also want to find out if I can get something from my optho doc to send along in a hard copied letter. I see him every 6 months & am due for a visit anyway.
Thank you again for the names!

Are you posting on the HP touchpad;)? LOL
 
A MickeyFan I'm so sorry you've had such a terrible time. My 11 year old is losing his vision - when you talk about "old people vision" I do "get" exactly what you mean. That's how his vision loss is being described to us (thought for different reasons that yours). Anyway, he found MANY parts of Disney very dark and hard to walk even when I was right next to him and in many cases he was afraid to move on because it really was terrifying when you can't see where your foot is going to land. I can't imagine that he'll ever be able to navigate some of the darker areas alone as he gets older. Seeing all these dark spots through his eyes this past year was eye opening (no pun intended). I think Disney needs to really evaluate the overall level of lighting in the queue areas because it really must be terrible hard for a LOT of people.

others here mentioned that I could just bring a tiny flash light for him and I will do that next time but of course, someone will complain about that (look for posts on the main board "little kid using flashlight in queue disturbed my line waiting experience" LOL)
 
We had our first bad experience this June due to the new changes. We have a GAC for my ds with autism and my mom was taking him on the ride while I took my other ds to wait in a gift shop(he does not like to ride) I came back 20 minutes later and my mom was coming up to me with my ds with autism who was very upset. Since my mom was in a scooter they made them go through and wait in the regular line. I couldn't understand since the GAC was for my ds not for her. Of course after 10 minutes ds starts his meltdown and they have to leave the line. She said she tried to tell them he needs the alternate entrance but they would not listen to her. I went to speak to someone and they said she needed to show a GAC, scooters go through the regular line. Duh! She did show the GAC and they just brushed her off. We did go to Guest Services and let them know what happened.

We are going back in March and we are skipping the HM. It is just not worth the risk because once ds has a meltdown it is game over for the rest of the day.
 
You all have me thinking.

We are going at the end of January, and I walk with forearm crutches and use a scooter. I am thinking of parking my scooter, before entering into HM and using my crutches only. I will have a GAC, because of needing things like the ride slowed or stopped depending on how well I am doing that day. I wonder how they will treat this situation and if they will dismiss my GAC like they are dismissing others? I will report back when we get back to see. I think we will even video the entire encounter with the CM's just in case, and actually show them the whole encounter especially if I get some of the CM's you all are experiencing.
 
This is my first post on these boards, though I am a long time lurker. I am also a full-time CM at the Haunted Mansion and have beem for the last 4 years.

The Mansion has been through many changes in the last year or so, some of them are not necessarily for the better. The alternate entrance GAC queue changed right before Thanksgiving. As many of you know, the alternate entrance used to be located near the crypts at the exit. Currently, ALL GACs and guests traveling with wheelchairs/ECVs use the normal queue when the wait is less than 20 minutes. This includes MAW children and their families. Upon entering the queue these guests are encouraged--not required--to stay on the right when they reach the point where the queue splits off and you can choose between the interactive cemetary or the bypass. The bypass is located on the right side of the split and provides quicker access to the front doors.

When the wait is longer than 20 minutes, wheelchair and ECV users who do not possess a GAC are still sent through the normal queue. Again, they are encouraged to stay to the right side of the split to make access quicker and easier for them, but the interactive cemetary IS accessible so they may use that side if they wish. Guests with alternate entrance GACs (again, including MAW) are directed by the greeter to another CM standing near a chain. That CM is responsible for checking the number of people in the party, making sure all are able to transfer to the doom buggy, etc. The guest with the GAC and their party travel through the 'rose garden' part of the queue (in front of the hearse) and are merged into the standby line, similar to a Fastpass merge point. Every guest using this entrance is, again, told that staying on the right where the queue splits will expedite their experience. The majority of GAC users request to skip the stretching room. They are told to inform the CM who opens the front doors and they will be directed from there. Usually, the CM who opens the doors is not the same CM who will be in the stretching room with the guests. The CM who enters the stretching room with the guests is responsible for making sure those who are not traveling with wheelchairs are "packed" into the room to allow enough space for wheelchair/ECV users. The CM who opens the doors is responsible for loading wheelchair/ECV users into the room after everyone else enters. This process can be quite chaotic since people tend to dawdle, want to take pictures, talk loudly, etc. in the foyer. If the door to the stretching room does not close in time, the show is ruined for those in the room and those who will be entering the next time the foyer doors are opened since the portrait over the fireplace will already be transforming before guests are allowed inside.

Skipping the stretching room is always allowed. If you do need to be escorted because you are not able to navigate the area on your own, ask the CM for additional assistance. They will find someone who can escort you if they are unable to do it at that moment. We really are not allowed to leave our positions unless told to do so by a leader. General procedure is to bring guests skipping the stretch room through the "chicken exit" and into the load hallway where the stretch room exits. Again, if this does not work for you, tell the CM. At that point you will likely have to wait for the CM assisting wheelchair guests onto the ride to return and then they will walk you to the unload area as well.

Once the stretching room is done and guests are entering the load hallway, wheelchair and ECV users are asked to exit the room last and are then directed to an exit hallway where they wait for a CM to assist them. Depending on the individual guest's needs, they are then directed to park their chair and follow the CM to the unload area to board their buggies. If you need additional assistance to board the ride, have a GAC but not a wheelchair, you will be directed this route as well. However, you MUST let a CM know that you require more assistance. CMs are only trained to screen for wheelchairs as the stretching room exits because the chairs are never, under any circumstances, allowed into the load area near the belt. If you do not approach the CM and request assistance, you won't recieve it. It is not because the CMs don't want to help you, it is because we just don't know that you need the help.

We had to change the alternate entrance in order to become more compliant with the ADA laws. The way it was set up before was giving GAC users separate treatment as opposed to the equal treatment that the ADA calls for. This procedure was initially supposed to be temporary, but because of the law it is most likely going to be this way from now on. Exceptions to this CANNOT be made because the exit area where guests with GACs used to wait is no longer staffed. We have had people who were used to the old procedure wander up that way on their own. Once they are spotted, they are always told to go back and speak to the greeter to have the new policy exxplained. We have had several guests ask to speak to managers and they are told the same thing--this is the policy now and everyone must comply. Whether the individual CM or guest agrees with it is a moot point. It's just one of those things that is how it is. It is beyond the front line CMs and the operations managers' control, it was not their idea or their choice. Many guests (in general, this is not directed at any of the PPs on this thread) blame the CMs when things don't go their way, failing to realize that it is not the fault of that particular person. Policies and procedures at Disney are constantly changing unfortunately and it can be difficult to keep up! We are doing the best we can while still getting used to things.

I hope I haven't come across as condescending or rude at any time in this post. I am just trying to explain the way things are now to hopefully clear up the confusion of the new policies at HM.
 
Thank you for your explanation, LilMsPrincess
That is a good summary of what I have seen (and been told) since the queue at Haunted Mansion changed.
 
We had to change the alternate entrance in order to become more compliant with the ADA laws. The way it was set up before was giving GAC users separate treatment as opposed to the equal treatment that the ADA calls for. This procedure was initially supposed to be temporary, but because of the law it is most likely going to be this way from now on. Exceptions to this CANNOT be made because the exit area where guests with GACs used to wait is no longer staffed. We have had people who were used to the old procedure wander up that way on their own. Once they are spotted, they are always told to go back and speak to the greeter to have the new policy exxplained. We have had several guests ask to speak to managers and they are told the same thing--this is the policy now and everyone must comply. Whether the individual CM or guest agrees with it is a moot point. It's just one of those things that is how it is. It is beyond the front line CMs and the operations managers' control, it was not their idea or their choice. Many guests (in general, this is not directed at any of the PPs on this thread) blame the CMs when things don't go their way, failing to realize that it is not the fault of that particular person. Policies and procedures at Disney are constantly changing unfortunately and it can be difficult to keep up! We are doing the best we can while still getting used to things.

I hope I haven't come across as condescending or rude at any time in this post. I am just trying to explain the way things are now to hopefully clear up the confusion of the new policies at HM.

I can see real problems with this new change in my case. I am not only using a pwc but am hearing impaired. I will be unable to read CMs lips in low light. Also my controller is on the left so I can see people hitting my hand or controller and causing the the chair to twist and runover or into other guests. This will cause me to freak out (panic attack) As this is my husband's favorite ride I guess I will have to endure it according to you but it certainly is not a pleasant proposition. I was in the past attacked by a guest after accidently being hit in the hand and losing control of the pwc. I am not looking forward to the new rules putting me and others in danger of injury.
 
When the wait is longer than 20 minutes, wheelchair and ECV users who do not possess a GAC are still sent through the normal queue.
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Although not working at MK, I think that if you check the Disabled Guest portion of the operations manual you will find that if a person is using a wheelchair, ECV, cane or service animal, or in other way is visibly obvious that they are disabled, it is not necessary for them to have a GAC to use any alternate entrance. The only time a person with a visible disability (including wheelchair and ECV users) needs to have a GAC is if there is an additional invisible need, such as low vision or hearing impaired; in that situation the GAC will have the indications for the invisible disability.
 
So here's a question... and purely hypothetical. If there were a blind (legally or completely) guest traveling alone but with a guide dog, would they need a GAC to be taken directly to the boarding area? The person wouldn't be able to direct the dog where to go unless they were very familiar with the inside queue.
 
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Although not working at MK, I think that if you check the Disabled Guest portion of the operations manual you will find that if a person is using a wheelchair, ECV, cane or service animal, or in other way is visibly obvious that they are disabled, it is not necessary for them to have a GAC to use any alternate entrance. The only time a person with a visible disability (including wheelchair and ECV users) needs to have a GAC is if there is an additional invisible need, such as low vision or hearing impaired; in that situation the GAC will have the indications for the invisible disability.

Unless the guest asks for additional assistance or information regarding their disability at the attraction, we have no idea why they possess a GAC. It is true that many guests with GACs do not have visible needs, but some do. Since I do not work at Guest Relations, I have no idea what the process for issuing a GAC is, I only know how to direct guests at the attraction once the GAC is in their possession. For the Haunted Mansion, GACs that have a standard wheelchair entrance stamp use the standby line at all times since it is wheelchair accessible, as do strollers with wheelchair tags. GACs that have an alternate entrance stamp or a green light stamp enter the queue in a different location and are then merged into the standby queue. GACs with a shaded waiting area stamp are handled slightly differently depending on how much of the extended queue is being utilized. The other stamps (front row, no stairs, etc.) are not applicable.
 
So here's a question... and purely hypothetical. If there were a blind (legally or completely) guest traveling alone but with a guide dog, would they need a GAC to be taken directly to the boarding area? The person wouldn't be able to direct the dog where to go unless they were very familiar with the inside queue.

Interesting question and one that I personally haven't come across. We do see service animals often but I've never seen one being used by a guest traveling alone. I'd imagine that it would be treated the same as an animal with a group of guests is...and that is, it is at the guests' discretion. If they are comfortable having the animal in the stretching room and boarding in the load hallway, they are welcome to do so. If they want to use the chicken exit/wheelchair entrance and board at the unload area, they are welcome to do so.
 
IAlso my controller is on the left so I can see people hitting my hand or controller and causing the the chair to twist and runover or into other guests.

Sorry to be so blunt, but this is not a HM "fault", this has nothing to do with the ride. It does have to do with your usage of the powerchair. At any place and at both sides bumping into can and WILL happen in places with many people. That is not related to HM but to human nature.

As such a user, we are responsible ourselves for using our aid in a safe way which includes keeping the joystick safe from being bumped into at busy places. Whether that is located on the right or left side of a chair; mute point as people will cross both left and ride side of a powerchair in heavy crowded parts of WDW constantly.

Positioning chair in certain ways, using protective gear/aids and/or shielding with ones own body is a much more productive way to keep bumps away from sending a motorized aid going into whatever direction. Let's not forget the using snail-boring-slow speed while in lines and turning off the power while standing still and waiting. Only takes seconds but the result is more than worth it. Not enough? Might be time to use another type of controler in certain circumstances.

Yes, I am a powerchair user myself and even more so; use my joystick at either side, depending on my physical capability of that day. Heck, I tend to have young ones grab at my joystick constantly (somehow they all share the love for my Animal joystick :laughing: and I keep forgetting how that translates into wanting to touch) or at least pointing at it which in toddler-world all too often translates to "oops, wanted to point, but ended up touching". And no, keeping my joystick safe is not an issue.
 
Sorry to be so blunt, but this is not a HM "fault", this has nothing to do with the ride. It does have to do with your usage of the powerchair. At any place and at both sides bumping into can and WILL happen in places with many people. That is not related to HM but to human nature.
The fact that the HM is not a true line but a crowd is the fault of the design of HM's so called line. It is not controlled. I have no problem going though a controlled line, ie a real line. It is just the mass crowd type line I have a problem with. Other rides and shows with this type of entrance do have a separate area for the most part even if it is just the fast pass line. Since I have no perception of wear a sound is coming from I am unaware of a person approaching from behind or to the side. That makes life more difficult. I try to position my husband on my left whenever possible but sometimes he isn't with me. I do have a GAC that is supposed to avoid these situation but obviously HM considers the regular line an alternate entrance now.
 
LilMsPrincess...By reading your post one would think that by me telling the CM's about my vision problem would be a large clue to the that I needed assistance,yet my last encounter ended up with the CM getting nasty, insisting I reenter the dark loading are after skipping the stretching room & her basically getting her manager. The manager did no start off very accommadating either. I am sorry to disagree with you, but what you have described is not what I experienced. Why must my low vision disability be questioned about that causing me to not see well in the dark, yet wheelchairs are not questioned about anything. I don't want to sound nasty but will it be better for Disney to have me go thru the dimly lit area & fall? :confused3 When they had the ADA, were they only there for certain disabilites? I can bet they weren't checking the lighting for low vision.
 
IMHO, I don't think they'll ever change the lighting in HM to suit those with vision issues BUT they should be more than happy to escort someone if it's requested. Not to sound like a jerk, I'm sincerely asking because my internet is being a bit of an issue at the moment..but OP, did you ask outright for an escort to the loading area? I can't remember and I can't get back to the original post.
 
A MickeyFan I'm so sorry you've had such a terrible time. My 11 year old is losing his vision - when you talk about "old people vision" I do "get" exactly what you mean. That's how his vision loss is being described to us (thought for different reasons that yours). Anyway, he found MANY parts of Disney very dark and hard to walk even when I was right next to him and in many cases he was afraid to move on because it really was terrifying when you can't see where your foot is going to land. I can't imagine that he'll ever be able to navigate some of the darker areas alone as he gets older. Seeing all these dark spots through his eyes this past year was eye opening (no pun intended). I think Disney needs to really evaluate the overall level of lighting in the queue areas because it really must be terrible hard for a LOT of people.

others here mentioned that I could just bring a tiny flash light for him and I will do that next time but of course, someone will complain about that (look for posts on the main board "little kid using flashlight in queue disturbed my line waiting experience" LOL)
I thought about getting a small light. My DH did get me a tiny key chain one, but it is too small for the HM. It is good for looking for the keyhole to put the key in. But you are right, there will be those complaining about us using it.

I am so sorry your DS has to deal with this so young. My mother's side of the family must have bad genes when it comes to vision. My cousion has had problems since he was a baby. He had his own TA that followed him all through school & had to have special print books. Mine at least didn't start until I was older. Now I am watching my DS, his vision took a drastick change for the worst in just 2 years & he is 25:sad2:
 

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