Please direct me if someone has answered this- what other attractions are available on FP with Flight of Passage?
I'm assuming it's similar to Epcot setup with FastPasses?
Today we got into AK right after rope drop for EMH at 8am and got on Flight in an hour. Key is get there early. Late night EMH is gridlock and no benefit imo. We did manage the river ride during EMH with a 45 minute wait.I booked my fast passes today 60 days in advance and there were no fop fast passes at 7am. I should've known better and checked each day of my vacation but I was trying to get into work and I only checked the days we are going to AK. I'm so disappointed. What's the likelihood that I can be there close to park opening and not have to wait forever. If park is scheduled to open at 8. Does it actually open at 8 or earlier?
No FP available for FOP on any day of my trip.
This is just a perfect example of why the old FP system was superior. The current system is an absolute joke. I started a thread a month ago about why Disneyland has won my business going forward.
Between Splash (my favorite ride) being closed, and not being able to get a FP for FOP, I'm almost ready to cancel the short Sep trip I had planned.
I've read several people able to get same day FPs for FOP recently. No idea why people are cancelling, or what is happening to cause it, but I've definitely seen it mentioned enough now that it's a trend.
Did you notice when they stop people from entering the line for FOP, before EMH starts?Today we got into AK right after rope drop for EMH at 8am and got on Flight in an hour. Key is get there early. Late night EMH is gridlock and no benefit imo. We did manage the river ride during EMH with a 45 minute wait.
They haven't been recently.Did you notice when they stop people from entering the line for FOP, before EMH starts?
I'm not sure they hold back FPs at all.Keep checking.
They have to have some FP held for people who buy day-of tickets, don't they?
I'm not sure they hold back FPs at all.
This is just a perfect example of why the old FP system was superior. The current system is an absolute joke. I started a thread a month ago about why Disneyland has won my business going forward.
Between Splash (my favorite ride) being closed, and not being able to get a FP for FOP, I'm almost ready to cancel the short Sep trip I had planned.
I know the popular consensus here is that they don't, and I understand why people feel that way, but there is no way. Disney controls the supply, they wouldn't give up that level of control entirely. Some FastPass capacity is always held back, I'd bet my Mickey hat on it, there are a number of attractive reasons for this:
- Rides occasionally go down and FPs need to be issued with no guarantee but reasonable guesses on where they'll be used. You want to account for this.
- VIP tours and higher do exist, when a massive celebrity goes to WDW and has a formal entourage, Disney does not tell them "Well, you didn't decide two months ago to come here so you can't ride the popular stuff."
- When managing such a massive logistics operation, you must simply leave room to manipulate factors in any way you might need to. Disney is the king of logistics and managing huge scale operations with ease, and they do that by making sure they're never out of critical resources.
- Artificial scarcity to drive up demand is a thing, it's subconscious but if everyone tells you "this new ride is so hard to get on because it's constantly packed" that's a subtle endorsement. It makes people more interested, this is basically economics, another thing the mouse has mastered quite well.
So, from a practical and technical standpoint, I'm just not buying the argument that they don't hold capacity back for day-of and other uses. Day-of may not the priority but if they end up not needing the capacity between day 60 and day 0, then it doesn't make sense to keep all of it held anymore.
Matt
Other comments aside, people on a VIP tour do not need FP. The CM leads you into the FP line.
I know the popular consensus here is that they don't, and I understand why people feel that way, but there is no way. Disney controls the supply, they wouldn't give up that level of control entirely. Some FastPass capacity is always held back, I'd bet my Mickey hat on it, there are a number of attractive reasons for this:
- Rides occasionally go down and FPs need to be issued with no guarantee but reasonable guesses on where they'll be used. You want to account for this.
- VIP tours and higher do exist, when a massive celebrity goes to WDW and has a formal entourage, Disney does not tell them "Well, you didn't decide two months ago to come here so you can't ride the popular stuff."
- When managing such a massive logistics operation, you must simply leave room to manipulate factors in any way you might need to. Disney is the king of logistics and managing huge scale operations with ease, and they do that by making sure they're never out of critical resources.
- Artificial scarcity to drive up demand is a thing, it's subconscious but if everyone tells you "this new ride is so hard to get on because it's constantly packed" that's a subtle endorsement. It makes people more interested, this is basically economics, another thing the mouse has mastered quite well.
So, from a practical and technical standpoint, I'm just not buying the argument that they don't hold capacity back for day-of and other uses. Day-of may not the priority but if they end up not needing the capacity between day 60 and day 0, then it doesn't make sense to keep all of it held anymore.
Matt