Minnie Vans "Uber" like transport begins soon!

Bought a house in 2007 right before the market crashed, closed on it 2 weeks ago today. We made 40K in profit. Things turn around.
Because you got to hold onto it. If you had an ARM, or had lost your job during the recession, you would feel very differently. We also bought our current home in 2007 and have been lucky. But millions were KILLED by this - financially destroyed.
 
You're the second person to mention that you don't agree with the Uber/Lyft business model. I'm not trying to flame or troll anyone, I'm sincerely curious what you don't like about it? Vetting process of the drivers, the fact that they compete with taxis or something else?

I agree with a lot of the stuff Madonna3 is saying- I care less about the tip thing, though, because unless a taxi driver is helping with my luggage, I don't tip anyway. That is one of the things that would actually bring me over to Uber if other stuff weren't deal breakers. I like the idea of paying exactly what it says upfront. Nothing to do with the driver. No chance of the driver trying to cheat you (that has happened before to me in taxis). I tend to operate cashless. Taxi drivers in a lot of places like to pretend they don't accept debit (dude, it says you do on your window) or they don't know how to troubleshoot their reader (not my problem).

BUT. Like I said, deal breakers:

1. The people I know who are uber drivers are generally people I would never get into the car with. They're either really inexperienced or terrible drivers. Their insurance does not necessarily sufficiently cover them- hell, most insurance companies actually don't cover any incidence of using your private vehicle for commercial purposes. Taxis ARE commercial vehicles. Taxi fares are expensive partly because their commercial insurance. They're covering their overhead and legal costs.

2. It's a long shot. But there's the safety factor. The cars are personal vehicles of people who may or may not go through a proper vetting process. A transportation company (hopefully) runs drug tests and background checks. Uber does not. They get a chunk of the money and take on no risk. I'm not worried about losing fare money or whatever. I'm worried about the driver being a creeper or letting his friend take a few fares for him. His friend who has a few DUIs or a problem with women or maybe a mental illness. Before Uber, I would not take a clearly marked taxi. I know town car services exist, but unless I seek them out, I'm not going to hire one. (BTW- I feel pretty much the same about any aspect of the "sharing economy"- I don't like airbnb either.) Yes, I know taxi drivers can be also be dangerous but it's about limiting risk not eliminating it entirely. You can't eliminate risk entirely.

3. Uber leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Local governments have told them they can't operate unlicensed or without paying fees. They operated illegally in Portland- I think for at least 6 months. They tell their drivers (or their drivers come up with) ways to avoid getting a ticket for doing so. My sympathy is not entirely with the taxi drivers. A little healthy competition might shake them up. But deliberately ignoring a cease and desist order and then pretend you're doing it because you're a social justice warrior or because it's the hipster thing to do- no. It's wrong. And a revolting way to do business. They're doing it for their cut of the profits and they're recruiting people under either false pretenses to get that cut. They don't care about their communities, passengers, or drivers.

4. Surge pricing is ridiculous. It's opportunistic. Presumably they surge price when traffic is bad due to an event or there's a high demand. But see, that's when you can't get a taxi in Seattle. Like at all. So I'll still end up walking or bussing it. Their advice to use Uber "outside of rush hour"...please.


I totally know people who like it and don't have the same objections I do. I know people who love airbnb. But there is too much "buyer beware" involved for me. I did give it a try when it first came out, because I'm curious. But Uber's reactions to various legal issues in cities drove me away. And airbnb is frankly a lot of work to me. It's like being interviewed to buy a dog. Yeah, I get it. The house owner or breeder is doing it to protect their investment. But I'm the one handing them a significant chunk of my disposable income so why am I the one feeling like I've got to prove I'm worthy? I can book a hotel, check in, check out, and the hotel doesn't go online to grade me after my stay.
 
Some people (myself included) won't use "ride sharing" because they disagree with the business model used. But a service using Disney owned vehicles driven by Disney Cast Members (not independent contractors without benefits) is something I'd use.
Just my wife and I - total agreement. We would also personally choose to use a Disney Service, manned by Cast Members. We currently use Mears Taxis when the situation demands it... and have nothing but GOOD to say about the service.

But to US (All personal opinion - I'm not necessarily right, no one else is necessarily wrong).... a Disney owned service of this ilk would be a positive.'
 
Agreed - timing is everything. I also feel bad for kids who graduated from college in 2009 or bought a house in 2008. Some will never recover.

Hey, it's me! Yeah, that sucked. Took me four years to get a job in my field. Thankfully engineering pays well, so I was able to recover pretty quickly once I actually got into it.


I think this sounds great for resort to resort travel, but I'm wondering how they'll work it alongside existing transportation routes.
 


Folks worried about insurance need to look a bit deeper because Uber actually provides coverage to every driver which is a lot better than we are likely to have. The coverage automatically kicks in when they have a passenger in the car, are on the way to pick one up, or returning from a passenger delivery.
 
I agree with a lot of the stuff Madonna3 is saying- I care less about the tip thing, though, because unless a taxi driver is helping with my luggage, I don't tip anyway. That is one of the things that would actually bring me over to Uber if other stuff weren't deal breakers. I like the idea of paying exactly what it says upfront. Nothing to do with the driver. No chance of the driver trying to cheat you (that has happened before to me in taxis). I tend to operate cashless. Taxi drivers in a lot of places like to pretend they don't accept debit (dude, it says you do on your window) or they don't know how to troubleshoot their reader (not my problem).

BUT. Like I said, deal breakers:

1. The people I know who are uber drivers are generally people I would never get into the car with. They're either really inexperienced or terrible drivers. Their insurance does not necessarily sufficiently cover them- hell, most insurance companies actually don't cover any incidence of using your private vehicle for commercial purposes. Taxis ARE commercial vehicles. Taxi fares are expensive partly because their commercial insurance. They're covering their overhead and legal costs.

2. It's a long shot. But there's the safety factor. The cars are personal vehicles of people who may or may not go through a proper vetting process. A transportation company (hopefully) runs drug tests and background checks. Uber does not. They get a chunk of the money and take on no risk. I'm not worried about losing fare money or whatever. I'm worried about the driver being a creeper or letting his friend take a few fares for him. His friend who has a few DUIs or a problem with women or maybe a mental illness. Before Uber, I would not take a clearly marked taxi. I know town car services exist, but unless I seek them out, I'm not going to hire one. (BTW- I feel pretty much the same about any aspect of the "sharing economy"- I don't like airbnb either.) Yes, I know taxi drivers can be also be dangerous but it's about limiting risk not eliminating it entirely. You can't eliminate risk entirely.

3. Uber leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Local governments have told them they can't operate unlicensed or without paying fees. They operated illegally in Portland- I think for at least 6 months. They tell their drivers (or their drivers come up with) ways to avoid getting a ticket for doing so. My sympathy is not entirely with the taxi drivers. A little healthy competition might shake them up. But deliberately ignoring a cease and desist order and then pretend you're doing it because you're a social justice warrior or because it's the hipster thing to do- no. It's wrong. And a revolting way to do business. They're doing it for their cut of the profits and they're recruiting people under either false pretenses to get that cut. They don't care about their communities, passengers, or drivers.

4. Surge pricing is ridiculous. It's opportunistic. Presumably they surge price when traffic is bad due to an event or there's a high demand. But see, that's when you can't get a taxi in Seattle. Like at all. So I'll still end up walking or bussing it. Their advice to use Uber "outside of rush hour"...please.


I totally know people who like it and don't have the same objections I do. I know people who love airbnb. But there is too much "buyer beware" involved for me. I did give it a try when it first came out, because I'm curious. But Uber's reactions to various legal issues in cities drove me away. And airbnb is frankly a lot of work to me. It's like being interviewed to buy a dog. Yeah, I get it. The house owner or breeder is doing it to protect their investment. But I'm the one handing them a significant chunk of my disposable income so why am I the one feeling like I've got to prove I'm worthy? I can book a hotel, check in, check out, and the hotel doesn't go online to grade me after my stay.



I've noticed a lot of very bad drivers who are operating taxis on my day to day commute. Ultimately, if someone has a bad or unsafe ride in a taxi there's very little recourse. In an Uber vehicle, you can choose to rate them 1 star and leave a comment. If those stack up, uber will not allow them to operate anymore. But I think you're mistaken about point 2. It clearly says on their website that you must pass a background test, completed by a third party company. Now personally, I realize that doesn't stop someone who just hasn't been caught yet, same can be said for a taxi driver.

Number 3 is pretty annoying, especially when they don't want to wait for the city to do what they need to on their end. I highly doubt it's a "SJW" thing (not sure what THAT has to do with it...), they want to get to the market and make money. It's pretty short-sighted and risks getting their drivers in trouble and shouldn't be done, I give you that.

Number 4, I'm pretty sure surge pricing is an automatic thing and they've been burned by the court of public opinion on this more than once. Maybe eventually they'll learn their lesson but they typically refund all those extra payments after the fact. Otherwise it's an incentive for the drivers to be out at odd times.
 
Folks worried about insurance need to look a bit deeper because Uber actually provides coverage to every driver which is a lot better than we are likely to have. The coverage automatically kicks in when they have a passenger in the car, are on the way to pick one up, or returning from a passenger delivery.
My understanding (at least in MA) is that there are actually a lot if gaps in coverage, including on the way to pick up and returning from passenger delivery, and that it can cause a lot of issues with companies with claims on personal insurance for what are "business"- related accidents and such.
 


My understanding (at least in MA) is that there are actually a lot if gaps in coverage, including on the way to pick up and returning from passenger delivery, and that it can cause a lot of issues with companies with claims on personal insurance for what are "business"- related accidents and such.
The policy is an umbrella policy, so I doubt it, but anything is possible.
 
Because you got to hold onto it. If you had an ARM, or had lost your job during the recession, you would feel very differently. We also bought our current home in 2007 and have been lucky. But millions were KILLED by this - financially destroyed.

I don't disagree with that at all. My advice to anyone when looking for a house, stay far far away from ARMs.
 
My understanding (at least in MA) is that there are actually a lot if gaps in coverage, including on the way to pick up and returning from passenger delivery, and that it can cause a lot of issues with companies with claims on personal insurance for what are "business"- related accidents and such.
That's how I understood it as well, and it's the exact reason I decided against driving for uber.
 
The policy is an umbrella policy, so I doubt it, but anything is possible.

Yes, it's an umbrella policy but there are still gaps in coverage. Again, perhaps it's different in other states, but my DH owns an insurance agency and this has been an emerging issue. Companies sometimes won't pay claims in those to/from instances because they consider it a commercial enterprise. One company is now selling a rider that drivers can buy for their private insurance, but then they would incur that cost. It makes sense that the umbrella policy covers less than the commercial policies that taxi companies would have, as it would be a cost saving measure.
 
Ok, I'll bite. Why don't you agree with thebusiness model?

I appreciate the other folks that already responded. I agree with most of what they wrote.

Here are two articles that provide some further information about Uber, if interested.
Simply put, this isn't a company that I support. I don't own a car, so this decision is one that impacts me. I end up taking cabs (which costs more money) or taking the bus (which costs more time).

That said, different people have different viewpoints and/or priorities in life. I'd love for people to be cognizant of how these businesses operate. But, I don't judge anyone who chooses to use them.
 
I appreciate the other folks that already responded. I agree with most of what they wrote.

Here are two articles that provide some further information about Uber, if interested.
Simply put, this isn't a company that I support. I don't own a car, so this decision is one that impacts me. I end up taking cabs (which costs more money) or taking the bus (which costs more time).

That said, different people have different viewpoints and/or priorities in life. I'd love for people to be cognizant of how these businesses operate. But, I don't judge anyone who chooses to use them.

That sums it up well for me. I've seen those and several more article on the subject before. I rarely drive, and almost never in vacation. So it impacts me too. I just can't support a business that gives me such an uneasy feeling. But if it works for others, then that's their business.
 
I appreciate the other folks that already responded. I agree with most of what they wrote.

Here are two articles that provide some further information about Uber, if interested.
Simply put, this isn't a company that I support. I don't own a car, so this decision is one that impacts me. I end up taking cabs (which costs more money) or taking the bus (which costs more time).

That said, different people have different viewpoints and/or priorities in life. I'd love for people to be cognizant of how these businesses operate. But, I don't judge anyone who chooses to use them.

That sums it up well for me. I've seen those and several more article on the subject before. I rarely drive, and almost never in vacation. So it impacts me too. I just can't support a business that gives me such an uneasy feeling. But if it works for others, then that's their business.
I've noticed a lot of very bad drivers who are operating taxis on my day to day commute. Ultimately, if someone has a bad or unsafe ride in a taxi there's very little recourse. In an Uber vehicle, you can choose to rate them 1 star and leave a comment. If those stack up, uber will not allow them to operate anymore. But I think you're mistaken about point 2. It clearly says on their website that you must pass a background test, completed by a third party company. Now personally, I realize that doesn't stop someone who just hasn't been caught yet, same can be said for a taxi driver.

Number 3 is pretty annoying, especially when they don't want to wait for the city to do what they need to on their end. I highly doubt it's a "SJW" thing (not sure what THAT has to do with it...), they want to get to the market and make money. It's pretty short-sighted and risks getting their drivers in trouble and shouldn't be done, I give you that.

Number 4, I'm pretty sure surge pricing is an automatic thing and they've been burned by the court of public opinion on this more than once. Maybe eventually they'll learn their lesson but they typically refund all those extra payments after the fact. Otherwise it's an incentive for the drivers to be out at odd times.

I know there's a background test; saying It is not thorough enough. Taxi drivers are fingerprinted- Uber's system just runs their SS.

Surge pricing might be automatic but they built it into the software. I don't want to take a ride that may or may not be refunded.

3 is not just annoying. It's illegal. If they cut corners there, then where else will they be unethical? (The SJW- I was being flippant. The advertisements I've seen are basically "ride with us because we are cool, hip, clean cut, English speakers...also we are rebels sticking it to the man!")

If it works for you, great. There's just too many things I really don't like about the business.
 
I have only used Uber twice in my life, so don't really care, but it annoys me that society can judge a company like Uber based on incorrect assumptions. They are not a taxi company, and they do not have employees. Period. They are a ride sharing company. Some drivers have decided to do this full time to get around taxi company restrictions. That isn't on Uber. Your problem is with them, not Uber. The Uber service fills a need in communities all across America - a real need that is not being filled by taxi companies. It also monetizes ride sharing (car pooling), thus making it something of a reality in America for the first time in our history, whic is very good for the environment.

If you have a problem with possible liability issues, I get it. If you have problems getting into a car with someone that you do not know and who has not been fully vetted, I get that, too. Almost all of other stuff is garbage, mostly put out there by people who have lost business to Uber drivers.

Don't just trust what you read on the internet, including my posts. Seek out opposing view points. There is as much on the web refuting the attacks on Uber as there is attacking the company. The attacks against Uber have become a political football, so the truth has been obfuscated. You have to dig to find it.
 
I have zero problems using Uber.

I've only used Uber a handful of times, and one of those times was at Disney. It was fantastic.
I hope you continue to have zero problems with Uber. I felt that way too...until Monday night when my account was hacked to the tune of 1,064 rubles....about $19. The bank declined the charge (thankfully) and since then I have inundated the website and Uber app asking for help and you know what? There is none...nothing for riders. Drivers have a little support but if you run into a charge issue as a rider, you are on your own.

I'll never use them again.
 
I hope you continue to have zero problems with Uber. I felt that way too...until Monday night when my account was hacked to the tune of 1,064 rubles....about $19. The bank declined the charge (thankfully) and since then I have inundated the website and Uber app asking for help and you know what? There is none...nothing for riders. Drivers have a little support but if you run into a charge issue as a rider, you are on your own.

I'll never use them again.
That's why you use credit cards for these purchases - zero risk.
 
I think that Disney's new service is intended to be the alternative for anyone who can't or won't use the new gondolas. Besides selling DVCs the other big goal is to eliminate buses running on gondola routes.

If the cars are electric then that's probably a way of scoring a federal subsidy or tax credit, or it gets the EPA off their back in some way.

Besides of course their usual goal of upsells to da max...
 
That's a very interesting statement. So in the car (with airbags and reinforced frames) = car seat. In the big bus (Wide open tube, no air bags, no restraints) = no car seat. Makes sense.

Aside from it being illegal to get in a car with a small child without a car seat or booster (varies depending on state law, but generally true with only slight variation), buses do not get into accidents in the same way as cars do. They absorb the shock of collision better and the impact isn't even remotely close to what happens to an unsecured kid in a car. Even the most rigorous safety blogs on car seats stress that being in a city-style bus without a car seat is safe, and infinitely safer than an unsecured car alternative. I get that it seems counter intuitive, but the facts are otherwise and its important to know!

Like anything else in our capitalistic society, no one is forcing anyone to work for Uber. If a potential employee does not like how Uber does business, then they have the option of finding a job somewhere else. Obviously lots of drivers are satisfied with the system and happily work for Uber. Like any job, there will always be those who have issues, but in the end, the person decides if they want to be a part of the organization.

On the flip side, if a potential rider does not like the surge pricing model, then they are free to arrange for transportation some other way.

DW and I used Uber for the first time last year while in Florida for a football game. We did not want to be drinking and driving, so we used it to bar hop. It was a great experience all around. Every driver was professional, courteous and promptly picked us up. We'll be at WDW for marathon weekend next year with no car, and I fully intend to use Uber or whatever might be available to get us to and from places we want to eat at.

Yes, and if a potential customer supports better safety regulation and employee protections, then that is also part of what makes them free to not use the service.
 
I just came here to say that it will be a good day if Disney starts an Uber-like service. Disney treats its people better than Uber (not so sure about Lyft - all I know is Lyft treats its drivers better than Uber), and at Disney you can unionize if you want to. Yes, I've used both Lyft and Uber when I needed to, never had any issues with any of them. Uber got me out of a real bind in SLC a few months ago when the rental car company (Enterprise for anyone keeping score) didn't have my rental car and had NOTHING else to rent besides a 12 passenger van. I couldn't find a taxi, but I pulled up Uber on my phone and 5 minutes later I was riding to my hotel.
 

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