Why I Hate the DDP

[shovan]

Let's take this from the top, CHER!

I have to wonder, where are you guys eating at WDW.

I honestly cannot remember having a very bad meal there and many are saying the food just keeps getting worse.

Maybe I have not made as many trips as you all (probably 12 - 15 or so in the last 7 - 8 years) but Boatwrights and Cindys castle still fill the void in my belly each time we visit.

Maybe I don't have enough culture to know what "true" good food is, but I grew up in South Louisiana and we cajuns are known for our good cooking. JMHO

So let's see, this all started with your following comment to drakethib's remark that we cajuns are known for our good cooking.

"FIll a void in my belly" is not dining.
Of course cajun food can be great but with that said IMO catchfish only goes so far.

Followed up by remarking that any disagreement with your opinion was rude.

Right now you could be the Pope.....you are rude no matter what.
Some of the restaurants I think are wonderful are just that wonderful IMO.
There are many restaurants that make me VERY happy.
You assumptions are out of control.
Remember what they say about assumptions.....

And then you felt the need to go on further to disparage Cajun food as lowland and not connected with fine dining.

"Dismissing no........stating IMO opinion it is lowland food that is lovely but I do not connect it to fine dining at all.
To each his own.

The above responses would be the perfect examples of rudeness. Apparently anyone who disagrees with your opinion is to be considered rude. (And I could not fit all the quotes of other's who disagree with your opinion on Cajun/Creole food.)

Yes I would like to have that answered too. The poster must have some other expertise that we are all unaware of. I hardly think dining in two of Emeril Lagasse restaurants in VEGAS qualifies one as an expert on Cajun or Creole Food!

I fail to see what statement I've made here was rude. It's a legitimate question for someone who feels justified to make the comments that you have made regarding Creole cooking.

Perhaps you should read my entire quote...Rude doesn't get many questions answered.
I have been fortunate enough to have traveled to well known restaurants around the world. Some of my favorite have been hidden gems that are not on the world supermap of locations. I also have spent many week-ends at CIA (they have great weekend courses on many subjects...sauces, Asian etc). My last cooking adventure was in Italy almost a year ago for 10 days. Dining/cooking is a hobby as I think it is for many of us on this site.

How fortunate for you to have traveled so extensively! Far be it from me to assume, but maybe you have not spent enough time visiting my fair city? Thank you for finally answering the question, everyone as been wondering about.

Is the following quote the one you suggest I read in it's entirety?

"I have had the experience of Nola & Lagasse's one restaurant in the MGM in Vegas...was not impressed with either. When celeb chef's become so big (IMO) the food at their locations is fair, the restaurant becomes a tourist trap, etc.
Years ago I would have traveled anywhere where Todd English was now not so much......same thing happened.
As far as your name...well I will keep that opinion to myself.

And with that statement, maybe you should have qualified that one could hardly recognize a cuisine by dining in these tourist trap "big box" restaurants?

And with that, my question stands. How does weekend warrior cooking classes qualify one to make disparaging remarks about a heritage, a cuisine, a way of life that you obviously are not intimately familiar with?

While his food is quite good, Emeril Lagasse is not the end all and be all of Cajun Cuisine. In fact, Emeril himself is not of Cajun descent. I do not need to really add any further comments as to the legitimacy of our food. That has already been done by several other's very eloquently.

I invite you to visit New Orleans and eat in any of our Cajun or Creole "Fine Dining" establishments. We have too many to list here.....

 

[ExPirateShopGirl]

Let's take this from the top, CHER!....

I hereby grant your artfully argued Motion for Summary Judgment...

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

Let's take this from the top, CHER!



So let's see, this all started with your following comment to drakethib's remark that we cajuns are known for our good cooking.


Followed up by remarking that any disagreement with your opinion was rude.



And then you felt the need to go on further to disparage Cajun food as lowland and not connected with fine dining.



The above responses would be the perfect examples of rudeness. Apparently anyone who disagrees with your opinion is to be considered rude. (And I could not fit all the quotes of other's who disagree with your opinion on Cajun/Creole food.)




I fail to see what statement I've made here was rude. It's a legitimate question for someone who feels justified to make the comments that you have made regarding Creole cooking.



How fortunate for you to have traveled so extensively! Far be it from me to assume, but maybe you have not spent enough time visiting my fair city? Thank you for finally answering the question, everyone as been wondering about.

Is the following quote the one you suggest I read in it's entirety?



And with that statement, maybe you should have qualified that one could hardly recognize a cuisine by dining in these tourist trap "big box" restaurants?

And with that, my question stands. How does weekend warrior cooking classes qualify one to make disparaging remarks about a heritage, a cuisine, a way of life that you obviously are not intimately familiar with?

While his food is quite good, Emeril Lagasse is not the end all and be all of Cajun Cuisine. In fact, Emeril himself is not of Cajun descent. I do not need to really add any further comments as to the legitimacy of our food. That has already been done by several other's very eloquently.

I invite you to visit New Orleans and eat in any of our Cajun or Creole "Fine Dining" establishments. We have too many to list here.....

You have become IMO Star Magazine of the Dis....If you are going to qoute me qoute all & in context.
We can all manipulate statements....

 

[Dreamfinder2]

Bless y'all's hearts.

 

[photo_chick]

You have become IMO Star Magazine of the Dis....If you are going to qoute me qoute all & in context.
We can all manipulate statements....

Geez.. you are one of those who has to have the last word in aren't you?

 

[shovan]

You have become IMO Star Magazine of the Dis....If you are going to qoute me qoute all & in context.
We can all manipulate statements....

I did not manipulate anything I quoted. I did my best to try to address this point by point. If you feel I manipulated any of your statements you will have to show me the quotes you feel I manipulated. I do not have the time nor the will to spend anymore of my day searching & posting all of your rude comments.

Since this is the statement that I take most offense to, I will try to focus on that comment alone.

Dismissing no........stating IMO opinion it is lowland food that is lovely but I do not connect it to fine dining at all.
To each his own.

I cannot find anything that you have said that justifies your disparaging comments concerning Cajun/Creole food. You have continued to stand by your insulting comments on this issue. You certainly have the right to dislike some types of cuisine. But to stand fast with your statement that it is lowland food not associated with fine dining is an insult to my city and everyone of Cajun or Creole descent.

I am at a loss as to what more I could do or say to debate you further on this issue.

Maybe I should just post some of the menu's from any of our fine restaurants. We have several that have endured over a hundred years. Antoine's, Commander's Palace, Galatoire's all come to mind. We have many "new" chefs that gained respect & notoriety worldwide. James Beard Award Winners such as this year's Best Chef in the South Winner, Donald Link of Herbsaint. Or the fact that the James Beard Foundation chose to honor New Orleans Culinary Legacy with the Award Ceremony of 2006. Please note the bold statement in a direct quote from the James Beard Foundation website.

New Orleans: A Culinary Legacy
The 16th Annual James Beard Foundation Awards Ceremony and Reception

Monday, May 8, 2006
New York Marriott Marquis

The James Beard Foundation will celebrate the culinary legacy of New Orleans at the 16th Annual James Beard Foundation Awards Ceremony and Reception, to be held Monday, May 8, 2006, at the New York Marriott Marquis.

The event will feature 20 chefs from the New Orleans area, who will prepare the dishes that have made the city one of the greatest culinary destinations in the world. A portion of the admission price will be donated to a charitable fund established to support the rebuilding of New Orleans’s restaurant community.

Again, I invite you to visit New Orleans and dine in some of these fine establishments. I can only discern that in your extensive culinary travels that you have not chosen to spend enough time in this city "one of the greatest culinary destinations in the world".

 

[apostolic4life]

...your response to the venom being distributed has been more than polite and respectful. Heck, you have even presented verifiable facts to back your position. You are someone who loves their city and culture enough to be educated about it's history and defend it's reputation........you & Dreamfinder2 have earned my respect!!! Some think the opinions they hold carry more weight than documented fact and will always justify themselves with the response "in my opinion" instead of backing a claim with proof.

As for the personal attacks, many of us have received those (often from the same originating source) whenever we present irrefutable, verifiable fact. Don't let it get to you!! Often when a person realizes they are wrong they will lash out at others with insults rather than admit they were wrong and submit themselves to those who have more experience or knowledge. This childish behavior is all I have come to expect from some. So, hang in there!! We got your back!

 

[kaytieeldr]

As for the personal attacks, many of us have received those (often from the same originating source) whenever we present irrefutable, verifiable fact.

As in, "My mind is made up - don't confuse me with the facts!"?

 

[apostolic4life]

As in, "My mind is made up - don't confuse me with the facts!"?

Yep!!!!

 

[drakethib]

Yes, I could not add anything more! I could not possible be more eloquent in defending our heritage & cuisine than the three of you!

Just a big THANK YOU to these guys from Cajun & Creole Country!!! apostolic4life, Dreamfinder2, drakethib,

My 84 year old granny who lives in a tiny town outside of Thibodaux can still whip up some of the best Gumbo, Corn and Shrimp Soup, & Sauce Picante that you can imagine.

Roux from a jar, I think not.

 

[drakethib]

The late Justin Wilson "How ya'll are? "

www.justinwilson.com

He also did a little cajun singing once in the while and his Cajun Night Before Christmas is something I rember hearing at Christmas since a child.


Chef John Flose.

http://www.jfolse.com/

My wife and I got married at his Plantation home.

http://www.jfolse.com/whiteoak/index.htm

 

[apostolic4life]

Roux from a jar, I think not.

Hey, I heard they offer weekend classes at CIA on sauces if you ever need to learn how to make a Roux...........

...........



(I couldn't resist, is that rude???)

 

[drakethib]

No comments until you see our webpage on how we see crawfish.

Here is out family webpage. Check out the top of the page.


http://www.thethibodauxs.com/

This is how crawfish are done in my neck of the woods.

 

[apostolic4life]

No comments until you see our webpage on how we see crawfish.

Here is out family webpage. Check out the top of the page.


http://www.thethibodauxs.com/

This is how crawfish are done in my neck of the woods.

That made me smile.....cutest crawfish I ever saw!!!

 

[TigerKat]

...your response to the venom being distributed has been more than polite and respectful. Heck, you have even presented verifiable facts to back your position. You are someone who loves their city and culture enough to be educated about it's history and defend it's reputation........you & Dreamfinder2 have earned my respect!!! Some think the opinions they hold carry more weight than documented fact and will always justify themselves with the response "in my opinion" instead of backing a claim with proof.

As for the personal attacks, many of us have received those (often from the same originating source) whenever we present irrefutable, verifiable fact. Don't let it get to you!! Often when a person realizes they are wrong they will lash out at others with insults rather than admit they were wrong and submit themselves to those who have more experience or knowledge. This childish behavior is all I have come to expect from some. So, hang in there!! We got your back!

Very well said! Another New Orleanian here. I cant debate like shovan, just wanted to pop in and tell her how proud she makes me feel to say I love New Orleans and creole/cajun cuisine, there's nothing like it!

 

[Hixski]

I thought I would help out in the fine dining category. Below is a list of AAA 4 diamond award winning resturants for 2007. AAA considers cajun and creole fine dining.

2007 AAA/CAA Four Diamond Restaurants
Number indicates consecutive years as a AAA Four Diamond Award Winner.
List published October 30, 2006, and is subject to change based on establishment operation.
Available online at AAA.com/Diamonds
Louisiana
NEW ORLEANS
Begue's, 12
Commander's Palace, 4
Emeril's Delmonico Restaurant & Bar, 6
New Orleans Grill, 6
Restaurant August, 3

 

[drakethib]

I thought I would help out in the fine dining category. Below is a list of AAA 4 diamond award winning restaurants for 2007. AAA considers cajun and creole fine dining.

And just who is AAA thinking they know anything about filling a void in your belly er, um, I mean dining, wait no, eating lowland food, I mean uhhhhhhh........

 

[Dreamfinder2]

A lot of the scratchin' and spittin' going on here has to do with regional pride, and who knows what good food is and what isn't. It's been a hoot watching this thread unravel.

New Orleans cooking ... there are so many little off-the-beaten-path places that personify what the town is about. Thinking of Mandina's, which took a horrific hit from Katrina. Or the hallowed Galatoire's, where there is no celebrity chef in the kitchen, just a gaggle of line cooks who are preparing the same family recipes they have for generations. And, perhaps nudging things back toward DDP issues, Galatoire's had this inflexible tradition since its inception that they would take NO reservations, which meant that the Prince and Princess of Wales had to wait in line like everyone else, and Madonna stormed away in a huff when she learned of their policy. That line would snake way on down Bourbon Street. (They do take reservations for their upstairs dining room now.) You don't come to Galatoire's for cutting-edge cuisine. You come to it to eat a nice piece of fish, perfectly sautéed or broiled, topped with fresh crabmeat. Or you have a seafood dish with a gloopy white sauce, because that's what you've been eating at your regular Sunday-evening dinners, where all the old waiters know your name, for years.

I'm not sure what my point is. I guess that it's you pay the price of popularity anywhere you choose to eat, whether you have to wait in line for hours - literally! - or have to make reservations WAAY in advance.

This thread has got me so pumped that I'm doing sort of a low-country boil for supper tonight: shrimp, smoked sausage, little red potatoes, corn on the cob, onions, all cooked together in a big ol' stockpot with plenty of Old Bay seasoning ...

Want some?

 

[apostolic4life]

Very well said! Another New Orleanian here. I cant debate like shovan, just wanted to pop in and tell her how proud she makes me feel to say I love New Orleans and creole/cajun cuisine, there's nothing like it!

Thank you!! I am not a New Orleanian, but I love the contribution your state has made to the culinary world. When I was a child I remember seeing Justin Wilson on TV and was hooked on the cajun way forever!! I think WDW needs to add a Cajun/Creole dining venue to their stable of eateries; it should be on the DDP too!! Wouldn't that be a happy thought?

 

[5boyz]

Ok You New Orlean folk are sure making me hungry with all your foods you are mentioning. I don't think I have ever tried any of them but I do like fish,crab and all that yummy stuff.