All resort non-smoking

[Chuck S]

You are correct but when the CM shows up at the door they will know if it was smoking or burnt toast etc.

And what department/job do we pull the CM from to run this little errand, and at what cost? Front Desk, so folks have to wait longer to check in, housekeeping/maintenance so folks, again, wait longer for their room to get ready. Or does the resort spend an extra, what, $40K to hire an additional security guard?

 

[F4disneyfan]

And what department/job do we pull the CM from to run this little errand, and at what cost? Front Desk, so folks have to wait longer to check in, housekeeping/maintenance so folks, again, wait longer for their room to get ready. Or does the resort spend an extra, what, $40K to hire an additional security guard?

Does it matter where they come from or if it is a designated person or team I have no problem if my diues go towards paying for this. Plus the fines can be put towards paying for this staff member I am sure they wouldn't make more than 250 a day LOL.

 

[F4disneyfan]

I suffer from allergy induced asthma and another lung condition that requires me to use oxygen at night. I have been known to sleep in the car when a "non-smoking" room at a hotel was smoked in before I arrived. It was either that or spend the night and a lot of money in the emergency room. I don't know how some of you can be so cavalier about purposfully breaking the non-smoking rule! What makes your habit more important than my life???

Diane nothing makes it more important other than arrogance I see the entitlement mentality coming into play as usual. I am hoping that if Disney finds people are still smoking they will change teh fines from being once per stay to a daily thing so it will increase from 250 + to 700 plus.

 

[Chuck S]

Does it matter where they come from or if it is a designated person or team I have no problem if my diues go towards paying for this. Plus the fines can be put towards paying for this staff member I am sure they wouldn't make more than 250 a day LOL.

You are assuming they will actually impose the fines. And I do have a problem spending a bunch of money for extra personnel to be nothing more than "smoke police", and what about the cost to install an electronic system in the first place...I'm sure it wouldn't be cheap, figure $150 per room average for the system and installation. So, that would be over $80K just at OKW.

 

[F4disneyfan]

You are assuming they will actually impose the fines. And I do have a problem spending a bunch of money for extra personnel to be nothing more than "smoke police", and what about the cost to install an electronic system in the first place...I'm sure it wouldn't be cheap, figure $150 per room average for the system and installation. So, that would be over $80K just at OKW.

Actually it is currently about 500 bucks for a system my uncle installs them up here and my father in law inspects them for the firedepartment. As for the staff the fines will offset the cost and I know for certain I WILL be a whistle blower in this case.

 

[Chuck S]

Actually it is currently about 500 bucks for a system my uncle installs them up here and my father in law inspects them for the firedepartment. As for the staff the fines will offset the cost and I know for certain I WILL be a whistle blower in this case.

It's a shame you would rather spend time policing other guests rather than enjoying yourself.

You can't seriously believe it would cost less than $1 per room to install that type of system.

 

[mountainjourno]

While I'm stunned at the number of openly dishonest people on this board who plan to break the rules, I console myself with the thought that Darwin's theory should eventually sort it all out...

 

[F4disneyfan]

It's a shame you would rather spend time policing other guests rather than enjoying yourself.

You can't seriously believe it would cost less than $1 per room to install that type of system.

No no 500 per setup not for the entire system. It is 500 per household currenlty mind you with the numbers Disney would need I am sure they would get one heck of a discount. Maybe even down to the 150 you suggested per room but I doubt that. As for the policing other guests if I am in my room or walking down the sidewalk and see somone smoking on a balcony etc your darn right I will police it.

 

[Chuck S]

No no 500 per setup not for the entire system. It is 500 per household currenlty mind you with the numbers Disney would need I am sure they would get one heck of a discount. Maybe even down to the 150 you suggested per room but I doubt that. As for the policing other guests if I am in my room or walking down the sidewalk and see somone smoking on a balcony etc your darn right I will police it.

So, figure a 25% volume discount for Disney, or $375 per room, minimum, or over $200,000 for OKW...several Million $ for all WDW rooms...I dont think Disney wants to curtail smoking THAT badly.

 

[DVCconvert]

Someone asked me what is WDW going to do to make sure they never ever have to be subjected to smoke outside caused by the frequent and sometimes wide-spread brush/forest fires that can occur in FL -

I said I didn't know, maybe we can fine this guy $500 bucks a pop ...

 

[alldiz]

I didnt read all the pages....not even sure if I posted on this thread
the others are closed....

I'm not even going to get into the arguement of what else
is allowed in WDW that might seriously offend other people...

I don't like my right to smoke....well my mom...anyway.....
She always travels with me....TAKEN AWAY IN THE PRIVACY OF MY ROOM.

We have been lucky enough to always get a smoking room....
She dosent smoke much......
BUT....every morning she goes to the bathroom....
and does her business....there is a cigerette involved....
I can GUARANTEE....that habit wont change....

I always buy air fresheners...plug ins....etc...
If i get a fine.....I guess that will have to sell my DVC...
not go on 4-5 trips every year....and find someplace
else to vacation...

My mom only smokes like 2 ciggy's a day in the room....
See above morning routine....repeated at night.

We'll just have to wait and see....

Does anyone know if you smoke in the
bathroom.....does the vent carry it straight to someone else's
room.....or outside.
Thanks
Kerri

 

[Inkmahm]

I always buy air fresheners...plug ins....etc...
If i get a fine.....I guess that will have to sell my DVC...
not go on 4-5 trips every year....and find someplace
else to vacation...

If that's what you really want to do, upset your whole vacation schedule over this, then that's what you should do. Vote with your feet and don't let the door hit you on your way out of DVC and Disney.

Personally, it would take something close to a nuclear war to keep me from my Disney vacations.

 

[disneynutt1225]

I have to say, as a relatively heavy smoker, I don't think the ban will be too bad for me. DH and I went to Disneyland for our honeymoon and the smoke free resort rooms were in place then. It wasn't that bad for me to go downstairs at night and smoke in the designated area - and there were quite a few at the Grand Californian.

I really think they're going to have a problem enforcing it -- time will tell. But, I will only be smoking in the designated areas. Let's see how long it takes for people to complain that Disney even has those areas to begin with.

 

[Dean]

But why does this policy HELP?? Before 6/1, you would ask for a nonsmoking room and most likely get it.

Why does Disney getting rid of smoking rooms change that?

It only helps if they enforce it. But if they do consistently, it should help a lot.

You are correct but when the CM shows up at the door they will know if it was smoking or burnt toast etc.

Not difficult at all in cases that would be enough to be reported to them. I suspect there are portable detectors that can easily answer the question as well without installing a permanent detection system. But I suspect a permanent system could easily be installed for less than $100 per unit, likely significantly less.

 

[alldiz]

If that's what you really want to do, upset your whole vacation schedule over this, then that's what you should do. Vote with your feet and don't let the door hit you on your way out of DVC and Disney.

Personally, it would take something close to a nuclear war to keep me from my Disney vacations.

No it's not something I want to do....at all...

I also don't expect my mom to change her
morning routine to go #2
Cant find a nice way to say that

Anyway....I hope Disney enforces this rule like all the others

 

[Inkmahm]

No it's not something I want to do....at all...

I also don't expect my mom to change her
morning routine to go #2
Cant find a nice way to say that

Anyway....I hope Disney enforces this rule like all the others

Make sure your mom knows that she is responsible for paying the fine if she doesn't change her routine and Disney charges you. Perhaps that would give her incentive to vary her schedule for the short time you're at Disney? She can always go back to her normal schedule when you go home.

 

[MiaSRN62]

Originally Posted by F4disneyfan
You are correct but when the CM shows up at the door they will know if it was smoking or burnt toast etc.

Like do we really think a rule-breaker is going to open their door for the CM smoking police who is now knocking on their door after someone reported them ? I predict the patio door swinging open for ventilating the villa.....the spraying of lots of Febreeze......then by the time the guests do decide to open the door (if they decide this at all), the smoke smell will most likely be disippated. Or do u think these CM's will just come barging into the room (sans search warrant ) ? I'm just not seeing this as any kind of feasible reality ? I do wish there was a way to keep tabs on this because I just see more and more rooms having problems with smoke/musty smells from the rule breakers. But I don't see a CM smoking police as the answer ? I think people are going to realize they're breaking policy and just not open their door. I foresee smoking going on very early in the morning and very late at night when there is noone around to report them. This is going to lead to some smelly rooms
Believe me, I'm very upset about this because I cannot stand smoke smell. Sets off a major migraine in me. But I don't see the smoking police as an answer ? I'd still rather have guaranteed N/S rooms.

 

[MiaSRN62]

But I thought you might find this report on the Marriott interesting. I think it reflects what you are going to find with Disney.... Not really an improvment....


http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=688367

This is exactly what I'm afraid of Carol......because it's great that disney will fine people, but I don't think some of them will even care ?

 

[grumpydad]

No, "I" can't. "I" can't wear heelies. "I" can't smoke in the parks (except in designated areas). "I" can't bring Fido along for the trip. "I" can't wear offensive, inappropriate t-shirts to the parks. "I" can't do lots of stuff I might otherwise want to be able to do, and is legal to do, on WDW property. At AKV, "I" can't even have straws or baloons in my room. Do those restrictions offend most people? This restriction is really no different.



How is it any more ridiculous to ask you NOT to smoke on the balcony than it is to ask a non-smoker to endure you're smoking on the balcony? I'm being serious here. What makes your "right to smoke" carry more weight than a non-smokers right to avoid smoke?

The fact is, here, the majority is what's going to be catered to, because they are the ones that would have a more direct effect on Disney's bottom line.



I feel for you. Really, I do. But what it all comes down to is this: Disney has made a decision. No amount of griping or complaining is going to change it. The non-smokers didn't make this decision. Disney did. So, if you want them to change their minds, hit them in the wallet. Sell your points and stay offsite, or buy another timeshare that does allow smoking. If the bottom falls out of the DVC market, and occupancy rates drop, Disney might revisit the decision if they can trace those drops back to the smoking ban. My supposition, as I've said before, is they've done their homework and come to the conclusion that...well....continuing to cater to the smoker isn't a good financial decision.

you make some good points


listen i'm just using this board to vent my frustration on another restriction put on smokers. as i hope most other smokers are

i love disney and would never deprive myself or my family from going just because i can't smoke on a balcony.

do i think they could have done something different, sure
make smoking buildings, make only the top floor room smoking etc

but in the end just like every other rule for smoking either we deal with it or
stop smoking.

i just can't wait until there is nothing left to put on smokers and they start
putting restrictions on something else and than other people will see how smokers feel

 

[BostonDisneyKid]

In each resort, make one building, or one separated section of rooms "smoking" HOWEVER, the rooms themselves are N/S (thus eliminating the cleaning costs for Disney). The only place you can smoke in this section of rooms is on the balcony. It would, of course, have to be away from the N/S balconies.

All other rooms and balconies strictly nonsmoking. Fines imposed for smoking in the room or on the balcony, as well as fines for smoking IN the rooms that are smoking optional on the balcony. The balconies could be equipped with those sand filled ashtrays for safety and cleanliness.

Then, no one is smoking indoors. Nonsmokers can enjoy their balconies and the smokers who don't want to make the effort to go downstairs to the designated areas have their balconies if they want, all grouped together.

That is the best idea I have heard since reading all these pages (although most of this thread has turned into personal attacks and personal agendas and has gone way off subject). I must say though, that the course of action described above is the most logical, intelligent and accommodating to everyone on both sides of the smoker/non-smoker debate. I would even suggesting adding a higher point charge to the "smoke optional balcony buildings" (not in rooms) in order to cover any additional insurance fees (if any) which might be required. But this will NEVER happen - because it makes sense (and is a financial issue, not a health issue)
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Someone mentioned allergies to peanuts (so many posts I forgot who...) - We have schools here that have a no peanut butter allowed because of this allergy and one family took it upon themselves to break this rule because they didnt understand it, the end result of this was sending a 10yo girl to the hospital who went into anaphylactic shock, and almost died simply from being in the same room as peanut butter. It hasnt happened again once people were made aware of what happened and were made aware as to why the rule was there in the first place. I also lost a friend who died from a peanut allergy, which killed him within minutes after haven taken a single bite of food cooked in peanut oil. This allergy is FAR MORE DANGEROUS than second hand smoke yet there is no ban on peanut butter (or perfumes or other medical conditions people have mentioned) so this is just one more point to prove this is strictly a "cost issue" not a health issue.