SAP+ ?

I think CCV at 7mo can already be tough, which makes it even more desirable as a home resort/SAP+.
Yep it's already tough with a part of that being because of the cabins. Then add it's desirability especially around the holidays and cheap point charts. It's not a monorail resort but I'm surprised it goes for as low as it does on the resale market.
 
Hmm, cheaper dues too. I wonder why i wasn't looking at BLT. its under $8 dues, 2060 exp.... Dang it, now i need to start over & add in BLT. :)

*added BLT
I recently sold my AKL contracts ( had to keep a 75 point one to maintain "blue card status) and replaced them with BLT to use a SAP due to the lower MFs. Also the ability to walk to MK and take monorail to Epcot was a plus. Was getting tired of always having to use the buses at AKL.
 
Ok, now that 2024 dues are out & Aulani jumped a lot (6.78%), I'm thinking BLT is a better SAP+ value.

6.78% may seem like a lot relative to other DVC resorts and relative to history. It's not that much compared to other Hawaii resorts this year. See a couple of examples for Marriott Maui and Kauai weeks below.

https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/marriott-2024-maintenance-fees.357131/post-2996905
https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/marriott-2024-maintenance-fees.357131/post-2996292
(both of those example are biennial weeks - so double the dollar numbers for actual annual dues - but % increase is the same)

But if a 1-year excess increase of 3%-5% causes the conclusion of what's the best SAP+ resort to switch, it probably just suggests that these potential SAP+ DVC resorts are all close calls anyway, and more a matter or personal preference, and likely to remain so for the foreseeable years. Moreover, these increases are likely to revert to the mean - just like in stock market investing, "chasing performance" may not always work.
 
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I recently sold my AKL contracts ( had to keep a 75 point one to maintain "blue card status) and replaced them with BLT to use a SAP due to the lower MFs. Also the ability to walk to MK and take monorail to Epcot was a plus. Was getting tired of always having to use the buses at AKL.
Yea BLT has made its way into my top picks for SAP+, its just that the availability is pretty good at 7mo, & its just not as relaxing as CCV, so its probably 2nd on my list, then would be Poly (we'll if anything changes once the tower goes on sale)
 
I love this thread, I’ve been binge reading it the last couple days. I bought my first resale contract at SSR this past Summer and we just had our welcome home stay a couple weeks ago during Jersey Week (we will never go that week again, it was crazy crowded - even more crowded than Spring Break week, but I digress).

We (family of 4, two kids under 10) had a split stay in a BLT studio and an SSR 1 bedroom. We loved that SSR 1 bedroom but we are even more in love with Bay Lake and it's location and more compact footprint. However, we are now hooked on 1 bedrooms and I crave to stay in the BLT 1 bedroom/2 bath - especially post refurbishment.

So, the question is - buy more SAP at SSR, or buy the "SAP+" points at BLT or CCV?

The thing leaning me back in favor or SSR is the fact that 1 bedrooms at BLT are pretty easy to get, it seems, at the 7 month mark, pretty much year round - definitely for Lake view, and maybe even Standard view? For that matter, 1 bedrooms seem to be pretty easy to get at most resorts at 7 months.

So what does BLT and CCV offer that SSR doesn't:
  • 6 years longer at BLT and 14 years longer at CCV - therefore better resale value
  • Guaranteed 11 month booking at a monorail/Magic Kingdom resort - like I said not a big deal for 1 bedrooms, but definitely for studios and maybe 2 bedrooms, in the future?
  • Lower dues (albeit not much lower, but every bit counts)
Am I missing anything? I don't know how much of difference the longer contracts make but the location of BLT and CCV do - especially if we ever have to rent out points someday if we end up taking a year or two off from WDW, I know both of those rent much easier than SSR.
 
Yea BLT has made its way into my top picks for SAP+, its just that the availability is pretty good at 7mo, & its just not as relaxing as CCV, so its probably 2nd on my list, then would be Poly (we'll if anything changes once the tower goes on sale)
This is how I feel about BLT. If BLT and CCV could swap places CCV would probably be my number one MK resort. The last trip I took with my parents where my dad was in a scooter for the first time showed me the importance of location or at the very least having transportation options besides buses. The biggest drawbacks for owning BLT are its 7 month availability is in general pretty good and the lake view rooms are pretty close in point cost compared to standard view so it kind of negates it's value. CCV on the other hand, I love the theming but the location for us personally left something to be desired. You do have the boats there but I think our preferred method of transportation is walking>monorail/skyliner>boat>bus.
 
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I love this thread, I’ve been binge reading it the last couple days. I bought my first resale contract at SSR this past Summer and we just had our welcome home stay a couple weeks ago during Jersey Week (we will never go that week again, it was crazy crowded - even more crowded than Spring Break week, but I digress).

We (family of 4, two kids under 10) had a split stay in a BLT studio and an SSR 1 bedroom. We loved that SSR 1 bedroom but we are even more in love with Bay Lake and it's location and more compact footprint. However, we are now hooked on 1 bedrooms and I crave to stay in the BLT 1 bedroom/2 bath - especially post refurbishment.

So, the question is - buy more SAP at SSR, or buy the "SAP+" points at BLT or CCV?

The thing leaning me back in favor or SSR is the fact that 1 bedrooms at BLT are pretty easy to get, it seems, at the 7 month mark, pretty much year round - definitely for Lake view, and maybe even Standard view? For that matter, 1 bedrooms seem to be pretty easy to get at most resorts at 7 months.

So what does BLT and CCV offer that SSR doesn't:
  • 6 years longer at BLT and 14 years longer at CCV - therefore better resale value
  • Guaranteed 11 month booking at a monorail/Magic Kingdom resort - like I said not a big deal for 1 bedrooms, but definitely for studios and maybe 2 bedrooms, in the future?
  • Lower dues (albeit not much lower, but every bit counts)
Am I missing anything? I don't know how much of difference the longer contracts make but the location of BLT and CCV do - especially if we ever have to rent out points someday if we end up taking a year or two off from WDW, I know both of those rent much easier than SSR.


My wife and I had/have this very conversation on more than a few occasions. If we are to add-on to stay at 1-bedrooms, and 1-bedrooms are generally available at 7 months, why not just buy a cheap SSR contract instead of overpaying at our current Home resort?
 
My wife and I had/have this very conversation on more than a few occasions. If we are to add-on to stay at 1-bedrooms, and 1-bedrooms are generally available at 7 months, why not just buy a cheap SSR contract instead of overpaying at our current Home resort?
I mean if you’re gonna go up to 1BR points you might as well go up to 2BR points.. and if you’re at 2BR points you might as well go up to GV points..
 
I mean if you’re gonna go up to 1BR points you might as well go up to 2BR points.. and if you’re at 2BR points you might as well go up to GV points..

LOL, the funny thing about it is, I actually used the WL Cabins and Bungalows as my example to my wife... and to be honest, if that was ever in our plans (its not!) but in theory, why buy an expensive home resort to stay at those 2, when u can just buy like 800 pt SSR contracts and stay in the WL Cabins or the Poly Bungs.
 
This was my struggle with just buying an SAP. We planned to stay in 1BRs, but so far have always traveled with another family. So 2BRs are needed. That wasn’t the plan!
I have come to look at DVC as something that doesn’t save me any money over the long run but it does provide a better life experience along the way.

This is because when I pay cash I nitpick every penny… when I use points I feel like I’m playing with house money! Not logical… just a self-observation.
 
I have come to look at DVC as something that doesn’t save me any money over the long run but it does provide a better life experience along the way.

This is because when I pay cash I nitpick every penny… when I use points I feel like I’m playing with house money! Not logical… just a self-observation.

Why a casino makes you use chips at a table..... Cash hurts!
 
I have come to look at DVC as something that doesn’t save me any money over the long run but it does provide a better life experience along the way.

This is because when I pay cash I nitpick every penny… when I use points I feel like I’m playing with house money! Not logical… just a self-observation.
I mean I think that's the point, it separates you from your money and you spend a lot more on airfare, tickets, food etc. but at the same time we're going to Disney World/Aulani more frequently, we're spending more time with our friends/family in nicer accommodations and doing it for a lot less than if we had paid cash. That's worth it.

I decided last minute about 2 days ago we wanted to be at Disney World for Christmas. With cash for the 2 nights we got at BLT? 1200 per night. Also managed to snag a Jambo House value studio but an AKV room would've been 800/night. With points? It was only 56 points for the 3 nights so probably somewhere like 700 something in total as opposed to 3200. This trip doesn't happen without DVC.
 
I love this thread, I’ve been binge reading it the last couple days. I bought my first resale contract at SSR this past Summer and we just had our welcome home stay a couple weeks ago during Jersey Week (we will never go that week again, it was crazy crowded - even more crowded than Spring Break week, but I digress).

We (family of 4, two kids under 10) had a split stay in a BLT studio and an SSR 1 bedroom. We loved that SSR 1 bedroom but we are even more in love with Bay Lake and it's location and more compact footprint. However, we are now hooked on 1 bedrooms and I crave to stay in the BLT 1 bedroom/2 bath - especially post refurbishment.

So, the question is - buy more SAP at SSR, or buy the "SAP+" points at BLT or CCV?

The thing leaning me back in favor or SSR is the fact that 1 bedrooms at BLT are pretty easy to get, it seems, at the 7 month mark, pretty much year round - definitely for Lake view, and maybe even Standard view? For that matter, 1 bedrooms seem to be pretty easy to get at most resorts at 7 months.

So what does BLT and CCV offer that SSR doesn't:
  • 6 years longer at BLT and 14 years longer at CCV - therefore better resale value
  • Guaranteed 11 month booking at a monorail/Magic Kingdom resort - like I said not a big deal for 1 bedrooms, but definitely for studios and maybe 2 bedrooms, in the future?
  • Lower dues (albeit not much lower, but every bit counts)
Am I missing anything? I don't know how much of difference the longer contracts make but the location of BLT and CCV do - especially if we ever have to rent out points someday if we end up taking a year or two off from WDW, I know both of those rent much easier than SSR.
CCV is the hardest to book at 7mo, so that pretty much seals it for me, but you're right, BLT is actually cheaper dues, so if that where you'd rather be, id say that is your SAP+ spot. (SSR is probably still the better SAP, but not SAP+ ;) )


Not sure why the table in that article would omit Aulani subsidized, which would be #1 on their list at any resale prices below $150.
Aulani Sub is only $0.24 less than BLT now. It's slowly becoming not as valuable as SAP.
 
LOL, the funny thing about it is, I actually used the WL Cabins and Bungalows as my example to my wife... and to be honest, if that was ever in our plans (its not!) but in theory, why buy an expensive home resort to stay at those 2, when u can just buy like 800 pt SSR contracts and stay in the WL Cabins or the Poly Bungs.
I seriously considered at one point just going crazy on SSR points and getting like a 500 pointer for like 40k but I think it's worth remembering that buy in cost is the easy part, it's the annual dues that are painful. When you're paying 100 points per night in a bungalow, even if the points were free that room is costing you 800 dollars a night in dues. You may be saving like 20% less per point on a point per point basis but when you compare it to a 2BR which is usually half to 40% less the price of cabin/bungalow idk. Obviously the product isn't the same and the cabins/bungalows are a lot nicer but I guess it just depends on what you want realistically long term. I decided we'd rather be able to use our points on a 2BR and occasionally if anything I can use my resale points on the cabungalows but predominantly I wanted the home booking priority for studios/2BRs
 
I seriously considered at one point just going crazy on SSR points and getting like a 500 pointer for like 40k but I think it's worth remembering that buy in cost is the easy part, it's the annual dues that are painful. When you're paying 100 points per night in a bungalow, even if the points were free that room is costing you 800 dollars a night in dues
Aulani Grand Villa is ~157points per night when we go… so definitely still expensive!
 

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