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Ok, maybe I'm just not getting it but please explain. The way I'm reading it you would approach your first ride, get to ride it immediately. That ride had a 30min wait time so the cm stamps your DAS that you would need to wait 30min to ride your next attraction. I'm not seeing where that is fair to anyone. What if you saw a wait time of 15 min for stitch and the cm stamps your DAS that you can ride your next attraction in 15 min and then go to space mountain which has a wait time of 60min. I essence you can ride that attraction with little to no wait. Does this make sence to anyone here because I think I just confused myself.
I wanted to point out the Universal has been mentioned as using the system the OP suggests. If it is used at Universal, it is Universal in California. Universal Studios/IOA in Florida uses basically the save system as Disney's DAS.
Ok so if I understand this proposed system you'd be flipping it around to put the wait time at the end of the ride instead of the beginning. The benefit is that you're not starting your day with a wait and you'll be able to ride something at the end of the day when CMs are proving reluctant to give Return Times (i.e. in the last hour a park is open).
No I don't find that unfair to non-DAS people. You're still taking the same amount of time to do an attraction. The extra time for waiting is taken at the end and prohibits you from getting on something until you have completed that wait.
One thing I found potentially unfair at DAS is that it does not account for the additional wait one encounters when using a wheelchair-accessible vehicle. Since there are so few of those it is common to encounter a line that can take another 20 mins or so above and beyond what a non-wheelchair car user encounters. This system will include that wait in it's post-ride Return Time.
Example: I go to TSM at 2pm when there is a 90 min wait. I'm admitted into the FP line and then wait for the wheelchair vehicle another 30 mins to board (6 mins allotted for each party in front of me, and 5 parties waiting before me). I finish my ride at 2:40pm, but now I have until 3:30pm before I can go on my next attraction with DAS. I can go into One Man's Dream or maybe join the queue for Lights, Motor, Action!
Under current DAS rules, I'd get my Return Time at 2pm. Then return at 3:30pm, wait the extra 30 mins in the Wheelie Line to ride, and get out at 4:10pm. I've now spent longer than any guest to do the same thing.
(People really need to understand that if one has a disability that affects boarding, there is always extra time allotted to for every attraction. The mythical FOTL pass abuse was for folks who have no boarding issues.)
Also this system would allow me to get on TSM in the last hour DHS is open. Currently, CMs have been refusing to give Return Times because they'd be after the park closes. That's decidedly unfair to disabled DAS guests because everyone in Standby is allowed to ride as long as they're in the line before the park closes.
I guess my issue is that (at least at WDW) this does not split your wait, it eliminates it. You enter immediately, wait 5 mins in fp line, ride for 5 mins, then proceed to next activity. If you alternate long wait/short wait lines, you dont even have downtime unless you go during a crazy busy week. When discussing non-physical disabilities It provides immediate gratification to items that cost the non-disabled hours.
I think its clear the issue is that there need to be a different system for physical vs. Non-physical disabilities. Skip every line is not fair, completely separate line for different vehicle is at least better.
But then you can't ride your next ride for 60 minutes. It's all the same
No, we didn't. Did some find a way to do that? Yes, but you must realize the vast majority of us were still waiting the length of the lines between rides. Some due to the way things worked and others due to our needs. In my opinion, I don't really care if it's my body telling me I must wait of if it's Disney. What I DO mind is Disney telling me that I MUST wait LONGER than everyone else, that I MUST walk more than everyone else and that I cannot get a Return Time at the end of the night, even though others can get in a standby line.Hopediamant said:Delete post,remove comments and ban people.
Business as usual. This forum is KING in this and all because people just are telling the truth.
Over a decade people were told here on this forum that the GAC had no special privileges. In the mean while you all used it to get FOTL.
Nothing changed ,nothing new here so move on people.
Southerndisney said:My understanding is the total wait time would be the same as the standby time for either the current DAS or the OP's suggested system. In the suggested change the wait outside of the line moves to after the ride.
Current DAS: wait outside of line/ wait in fast pass line/ ride
Suggest DAS: wait in fast pass line/ ride/ wait outside of line
In either system the DAS holder has the freedom to ride a non fast pass ride during their wait outside the ride. The person waiting in standby will not have this choice.
The WDW Cognitive Disabilities Guide (CDG) recommends using FP and FP+ to "plan my day". The assertion is that these, with the DASC, will allow me to be in the right place, at the right time, for my kids (2 w/ASD) to ride those must-do rides.
One problem I foresee (going to WDW in 2 weeks for the first time since the change) is the hard stop times on the FP and FP+. The DASC is open-ended, we just can't get another until they use or void the first. But if I have reserved a FP+ for Small World, one hour for a solo mom with 2 on the spectrum is very hard to plan. One child or the other may have a meltdown requiring cool down (that can take from 30 minutes to 2 hours, depending how bad the situation), I may need to allow my kids vestibular (spinning) time or other visual stimming, and I dread the possibility of a toileting emergency for my 11 yo DS (which occasionally requires a trip to the locker, wherein fresh clothing is kept, not like a quick onesie change after a diaper blowout-trust me!). With my child's GAC, they rode when they got to an attraction, and nothing was on a timetable. (Needless to say, we almost NEVER planned a TS meal, as these were waaaay too easy to overshoot).
Is there an accommodation which will allow me, with my FP/FP+ planning, to show entrance CMs the kids' FP return time, explain the reason we were late (due to a disability) to override the hard return time? They still wait, like non DAS-users, for return times (or reserved times FP+) to begin, so it's not a FOTL accommodation, but if I'm 30 minutes past the hard stop for their return (which means they've really waited 90 minutes MORE than standby guests who arrived at the attraction at the same time as us) due to my child's disability, I won't be penalized and have to start their wait time all over again, or worse-leave the attraction altogether without letting them experience it, because we have another reserved attraction, thereby causing another meltdown, requiring more cooldown, which slips us past that reservation, too, which causes another meltdown...oh, you get my point!).
My understanding is the total wait time would be the same as the standby time for either the current DAS or the OP's suggested system. In the suggested change the wait outside of the line moves to after the ride.
Current DAS: wait outside of line/ wait in fast pass line/ ride
Suggest DAS: wait in fast pass line/ ride/ wait outside of line
In either system the DAS holder has the freedom to ride a non fast pass ride during their wait outside the ride. The person waiting in standby will not have this choice.
I definitely do an I don't know if there is, but this would be a great question to ask on the official thread.SKRUD said:The WDW Cognitive Disabilities Guide (CDG) recommends using FP and FP+ to "plan my day". The assertion is that these, with the DASC, will allow me to be in the right place, at the right time, for my kids (2 w/ASD) to ride those must-do rides.
One problem I foresee (going to WDW in 2 weeks for the first time since the change) is the hard stop times on the FP and FP+. The DASC is open-ended, we just can't get another until they use or void the first. But if I have reserved a FP+ for Small World, one hour for a solo mom with 2 on the spectrum is very hard to plan. One child or the other may have a meltdown requiring cool down (that can take from 30 minutes to 2 hours, depending how bad the situation), I may need to allow my kids vestibular (spinning) time or other visual stimming, and I dread the possibility of a toileting emergency for my 11 yo DS (which occasionally requires a trip to the locker, wherein fresh clothing is kept, not like a quick onesie change after a diaper blowout-trust me!). With my child's GAC, they rode when they got to an attraction, and nothing was on a timetable. (Needless to say, we almost NEVER planned a TS meal, as these were waaaay too easy to overshoot).
Is there an accommodation which will allow me, with my FP/FP+ planning, to show entrance CMs the kids' FP return time, explain the reason we were late (due to a disability) to override the hard return time? They still wait, like non DAS-users, for return times (or reserved times FP+) to begin, so it's not a FOTL accommodation, but if I'm 30 minutes past the hard stop for their return (which means they've really waited 90 minutes MORE than standby guests who arrived at the attraction at the same time as us) due to my child's disability, I won't be penalized and have to start their wait time all over again, or worse-leave the attraction altogether without letting them experience it, because we have another reserved attraction, thereby causing another meltdown, requiring more cooldown, which slips us past that reservation, too, which causes another meltdown...oh, you get my point!).
WantToGoNow said:Seriously?
The WDW Cognitive Disabilities Guide (CDG) recommends using FP and FP+ to "plan my day". The assertion is that these, with the DASC, will allow me to be in the right place, at the right time, for my kids (2 w/ASD) to ride those must-do rides.
One problem I foresee (going to WDW in 2 weeks for the first time since the change) is the hard stop times on the FP and FP+. The DASC is open-ended, we just can't get another until they use or void the first. But if I have reserved a FP+ for Small World, one hour for a solo mom with 2 on the spectrum is very hard to plan. One child or the other may have a meltdown requiring cool down (that can take from 30 minutes to 2 hours, depending how bad the situation), I may need to allow my kids vestibular (spinning) time or other visual stimming, and I dread the possibility of a toileting emergency for my 11 yo DS (which occasionally requires a trip to the locker, wherein fresh clothing is kept, not like a quick onesie change after a diaper blowout-trust me!). With my child's GAC, they rode when they got to an attraction, and nothing was on a timetable. (Needless to say, we almost NEVER planned a TS meal, as these were waaaay too easy to overshoot).
Is there an accommodation which will allow me, with my FP/FP+ planning, to show entrance CMs the kids' FP return time, explain the reason we were late (due to a disability) to override the hard return time? They still wait, like non DAS-users, for return times (or reserved times FP+) to begin, so it's not a FOTL accommodation, but if I'm 30 minutes past the hard stop for their return (which means they've really waited 90 minutes MORE than standby guests who arrived at the attraction at the same time as us) due to my child's disability, I won't be penalized and have to start their wait time all over again, or worse-leave the attraction altogether without letting them experience it, because we have another reserved attraction, thereby causing another meltdown, requiring more cooldown, which slips us past that reservation, too, which causes another meltdown...oh, you get my point!).
I don't think I understand either. Even though you can't use your pass for 60 minutes, can't you go on other rides that have no wait or only a very short wait or see a show? It seems to me that with planning, you could go non stop and do much more than people having to wait in the regular line. Maybe I'm missing something, but it sounds like a front of the line pass that easily could be abused. I'm not trying to be difficult, but I just can't figure out how this system would be fair to people who have to wait in line. If you add looping to this system, couldn't you ride two or three times while someone else is still in line waiting for their first ride?
I don't think I understand either. Even though you can't use your pass for 60 minutes, can't you go on other rides that have no wait or only a very short wait or see a show? It seems to me that with planning, you could go non stop and do much more than people having to wait in the regular line. Maybe I'm missing something, but it sounds like a front of the line pass that easily could be abused. I'm not trying to be difficult, but I just can't figure out how this system would be fair to people who have to wait in line. If you add looping to this system, couldn't you ride two or three times while someone else is still in line waiting for their first ride?