Marionnette
Children see magic because they look for it
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- Sep 26, 2009
I think you're reading a lot of emotion into posts that is not there.Condescension and anger are remarkable similar emotions when typed on ye olde typing box
I think you're reading a lot of emotion into posts that is not there.Condescension and anger are remarkable similar emotions when typed on ye olde typing box
What percentage of total bookings would you estimate is spec rentals? Is their impact really great enough to warrant action by DVC or just another bucket of water in a seas of reservation issues?Causing is probably too strong a term, but it can be exacerbating it.
If I am booking for myself, I am limited to times when I, personally, might want to take a vacation. If I am booking a spec rental, I am instead looking for times when lots of other people might want to take a vacation. And, as I wrote above, I am incentivized to make this booking as soon as I possibly can---after all, I know when the popular dates are much more than a mere 11 months in advance. That might also be sooner than I would know when e.g. my vacation is, or when the kids' soccer schedules are firmed up, or whatever.
So, it is entirely possible that the existence of a well-known spec rental market is skewing the existing "organic" booking patterns for popular periods earlier in time.
That doesn't change the fact that it is the OP's responsibility to book their own vacation as early as they might have. And given that they travel regularly during Jersey Week, this booking would have been foreseeable for them. That will be a live-and-learn experience for the OP I suspect. But, that too is exacerbating the problem. If a shift to earlier bookings then moves the "organic" booking patterns, then it compounds itself.
So, I guess where I sit both sides of this discussion are correct: it is the OP's responsibility to book as early as they can, AND the existence of the spec rental market might be making that more important than it otherwise would be.
I get the frustration. I think many of us like to have the option to rent should life get in the way of using the points for our own use. Now, if we want DVC to crack down on the commercial/serial renters, that is a different discussion. Either way, there doesn't seem to be an easy solution. I think a blanket ban on renting is a bridge too far for most owners, myself included.No, I don't want owners eating points. I also don't want rooms booked up 7 months out to hold for renting. I don't know what a solution could be. It is just incredibly frustrating as an owner.
You DVC renters are an angry group. Didn't mean to buzz the hornets nest.
As is entitlement...Condescension and anger are remarkable similar emotions when typed on ye olde typing box
More than ever before? That's tongue in cheek, but not entirely. There are several easy-to-find websites that are happy to list your speculative rental for you---as far as I can recall, that's relatively new. Similarly, DIS went from no spec rentals at all, to only within the holding window, to you can buy your way on. The presence of these mechanisms lowers the activation energy of speculatively renting. And, speculatively renting studios on a per-reservation basis is much more lucrative than renting DVC reservations on a per-point basis, because you can command some eye-watering per-point values---as long as you are renting studios, that is.What percentage of total bookings would you estimate is spec rentals?
I usually find it’s the boomers that are the rudest and most entitled age group.
I guess it varies on your experiences and outlook.
Rentals are members booking their own points. What they choose to do with the room once it is booked is up to themI am 6 months out from my trip, and I can't get a full week in a studio anywhere. Disney has to stop the rental market, at least until the backlog of points clears. Members using their own points should have some availability at this point.
You do realize that all those points are owner's points. Whether they use them or someone else uses them, they are all still valid to use.I am 6 months out from my trip, and I can't get a full week in a studio anywhere. Disney has to stop the rental market, at least until the backlog of points clears. Members using their own points should have some availability at this point.
Quite often when we read someone complaining that nothing is available during the week of XYZ, it isn't true. What they really mean is that nothing is available at their preferred resort & room type for every night of their anticipated trip. It's not that Jersey Week is completely booked up at 6 months out. It's a case of scattered nights in studios, limited nights in all categories at highly desirable resorts and availability in point-heavy 1BR villas for most but not all nights.I don’t yet own dvc so don’t know anywhere near as much as all of you do but…if Disney thought renting was causing an issue wouldn’t it be in their interest to clamp down on it and hope for wasted points which would then mean more breakage for them?
As is entitlement...
I am 6 months out from my trip, and I can't get a full week in a studio anywhere. Disney has to stop the rental market, at least until the backlog of points clears. Members using their own points should have some availability at this point.
I am looking at the 2nd week of Nov and there is nothing.
(I'll note that I think this period includes Jersey Week.)
Yes! I am from Jersey lmao. Typically I have zero problem at least getting into OKW or Saratoga. I have also stayed at Boardwalk, Wilderness and AKL. With options.
This year, I can't even get into OKW.
Things have changed. I believe it's the explosion of the rental market.
People are renting their points more and more
Do split stays like I always do. It is not as bad as some say.
You DVC renters are an angry group. Didn't mean to buzz the hornets nest.
Condescension and anger are remarkable similar emotions when typed on ye olde typing box
No. I didn’t realize. Thanks!You do realize that all those points are owner's points. Whether they use them or someone texts them, they are all still valid to use.
I'm coming back to this one, because it is interesting.It is listed for $33/pt.
Yeah, this post certainly proves that I am inventing the condescending attitude.I'm trying to figure out where you're getting what-you-see-as data from.
Why do you think it's rentals? As much as YOU want to get out of town for Jersey Week, tons of other people do as well.
Weird, since I see the 7th, 8th, and 9th all at one resort when I checked. Add in the 6th at a different resort, waitlist the rest, and you can have a nice time. Personally, I adore split stays so it wouldn't bother me, but I bet you can piecemeal it together.
Yep.
So you've been lucky for all these years, but now your luck has run out. A lot of people are finally traveling after not having done so. Virtual school, forced variations of homeschooling, etc make people want to get out and have FUN. Just like you want to do.
Data?
Data?
I love them. A bit of planning ahead of time, and I end up feeling like I've had as many vacations as I have splits.
You're talking to owners, not renters. Or do you think everyone here rents out their points? I don't.
And I see no anger while people are trying to explain how DVC works to a "charter member."
Count your lucky stars for the previous decades, and know that now you've joined the hordes of those who aren't so lucky.
Me thinks you're reading something into what you're seeing on ye olde reading box.
I don't think data is necessary for a reasonable person to conclude that speculative rentals are more common than they used to be.Data?