If global warming could be stopped and earth saved by ending the use of all forms of electricity, would you do it?

[dvcgirl67]

All cars are expensive right now. Most people cannot afford any car right now and if they can they have more pressing needs like keeping up with the rising cost of living. New cars aren’t a priority right now….

California's goal is a lofty one. But it is 12 years away.

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/27/1119...rs-electric-cars-zero-emission-climate-change

Many fields are looking strongly to the future to mitigate climate change.

Our daughter is doing biological lab research on how toodify plants to make them resistant to climate change.

Many other disciplines are looking now to solve future problems.

The young people of today will be the professionals in 12 years eager to purchase EVs.

Our kid least interested in politics has been talking about buying a Tesla as soon as he can.

Dh and I will replace my 2008 sienna just as soon as the market calms down and are looking to at least a hybrid.

Heck, we replaced our gas powered pushover this summer with a battery operated one and have loved it.

Yup...you're 100% right. Changes are happening everywhere and I'm counting on GenZ to lead the way. And taking steps like going from an ICE car to a Hybrid makes tons of sense. You have a good "glass half full" outlook. . I don't expect we'll stay in our current home for more than 5 years....but otherwise we'd replace the roof in the coming few years and go with solar. I guess it took us getting an EV to really open our eyes, but that did it. Still, all of these things have to make financial sense, and so I'm all for baby or toddler steps to at least get us moving in the right direction.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Remember those flat screen tvs that were $2000 12 years ago. Now they are $300

And as I type California electric supply is at 56% renewables 19% nat gas 7% nuclear and 16% imports

Ha...was reading some of this thread to my husband, and he brought up the same thing....what we paid for our first "big screen TV"....which was a monstrosity....certainly wasn't a flat screen, but a giant thing that we paid like $7,000 for in 2000 when we bought our first home in NJ....even moved it with us to Florida when we lived there, but when we sold that house in 2007 to move back to NJ we gave it to the people who bought our house. It fit perfectly into a giant nook there....and also, it was essentially worthless. Technology is moving fast in the EV space, and prices will come down accordingly.

 

[DCLMP]

Dark outlook, but ok. Nobody, including government policies is currently forcing anyone to buy an EV. And as someone else posted, that 2035 date that California has thrown out there is likely to slip. But good for California for throwing down the gauntlet....someone has to lead, and they often do in these matters. And FWIW, I wouldn't get an EV in your situation....unless you needed to get a new, or a used car, and then....I'd give it a shot. You might actually like it.

Dark outlook says the person that has openly admitted they didn’t see 2008 coming and that was as obvious as it gets. I would love for the people I follow to be wrong this time. It will be interesting to revisit these thread in a year or two to see how it all works out. Europe has a high percentage of electric cars and that is not going to save them from an energy crisis.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Dark outlook says the person that has openly admitted they didn’t see 2008 coming and that was as obvious as it gets. I would love for the people I follow to be wrong this time. It will be interesting to revisit these thread in a year or two to see how it all works out. Europe has a high percentage of electric cars and that is not going to save them from an energy crisis.

Um...I did see 2008 coming. You must have me confused with someone else. Moved all of our money out of the market in November 2007....back in January 2009. Almost hit the tippy top...didn't quite hit the bottom, but close. What I *did* say....is that I wouldn't do it again. It's easy to get out, far more difficult to know when to get back in.

We're continuing to dollar cost average into our index funds right on into this recession....which I'm not 100% convinced we're quite in yet. I know the definition, but we also have a unemployment number with a "3" in front of it....so probably next year for a true recession. Powell as much as guaranteed the "pain" yesterday. I'd say there's plenty of pain being felt by plenty out there right now. On the other hand, having traveled for the first time in three years just last month....there are plenty of people out and about spending money. We're likely going to see the market dip again now....but it will come back....always does. And as much as Powell is forecasting a lot of pain ahead....as far as the market is considered, "pain" is relative.

 

[Southernmiss]

All cars are expensive right now. Most people cannot afford any car right now and if they can they have more pressing needs like keeping up with the rising cost of living. New cars aren’t a priority right now….

And yet, new cars are not available either.

We've been saving and looking and would love to pull the trigger.

But we would have to order a new automobile and wait several weeks.

Somehow people are still buying them. Our local dealers lots are empty.

 

[MillauFr]

The crumpling is a major safety feature, they are designed to crumple on impact to protect the occupants and absorb energy.

Yeah I didn't quite understand that comment as well. That is the best thing about cars today. You can get into a serious wreck and walk away without a scratch. The same wreck in a 1950s car would be fatal.

 

[MillauFr]

So I've already answered the original question and my opinion is still the same.
As this seems to have morphed into a EV vs ICE thread I offer this video. I have no interest in an EV as it does not do what I need it to do and the price point for me isn't there. That being said, this does offer some insight and is presented very well offering both sides of the issue.

Apparently it isn't available so carry on....

Yes the wheels have come off of this one. Just think how much time we are wasting on this. I could be watching soccer instead.... The OP would approve.

 

[kdonnel]

Not really, I just don't want to be forced into something that we as a nation aren't ready for. I'm sorry if you can't or won't understand that. Most examples given were social changes not economic changes. The light bulb change was made with flawed science results based on my experience with the new type of light bulbs, they don't last as stated and you can't just through them away because they are bad for the environment.

As far as seat belts and pollution reducing technology being forced on us, I agree with those changes. Cars aren't as safe as they used to be and too many people drive too fast in cars that aren't as sturdy as they used to be. I don't think anybody would disagree that we all should be doing what we need to do to reduce the pollution we put into our world.

The difference here is some leaders what to stop the use of all fossil fuel vehicles and that just isn't possible yet. We still need trucks, buses, airplanes and ships and our nation's infrastructure is ready to handle 100% EV cars. When we are ready, I'm sure many more people will begin to filter over to EVs.

I was just greatly simplifying it.

If someone is against position A they will feel it is wrong it is being forced on them.

If someone agrees with position A, they will feel it is necessary to force it upon themselves and others for the greater good.

 

[MillauFr]

Speaking of cars and pollution.... I wonder why Disneyland hasn't gotten rid of those stinky cars in Autotopia. I feel bad for the employees who have to breath that for an entire shift.

 

[MillauFr]

It's easy to get out, far more difficult to know when to get back in.

It is impossible to know either. You don't see many rich market timers. That is because there aren't any.

 

[DCLMP]

Um...I did see 2008 coming. You must have me confused with someone else. Moved all of our money out of the market in November 2007....back in January 2009. Almost hit the tippy top...didn't quite hit the bottom, but close. What I *did* say....is that I wouldn't do it again. It's easy to get out, far more difficult to know when to get back in.

We're continuing to dollar cost average into our index funds right on into this recession....which I'm not 100% convinced we're quite in yet. I know the definition, but we also have a unemployment number with a "3" in front of it....so probably next year for a true recession. Powell as much as guaranteed the "pain" yesterday. I'd say there's plenty of pain being felt by plenty out there right now. On the other hand, having traveled for the first time in three years just last month....there are plenty of people out and about spending money. We're likely going to see the market dip again now....but it will come back....always does. And as much as Powell is forecasting a lot of pain ahead....as far as the market is considered, "pain" is relative.

No I don’t have you confused with some else, but I’m not going to go back and find the post. I would love to know why you think the fed can continue to control the debt market forever. How do you think they are going to get a handle on inflation when inflation is also being caused by shortages and not just money printing. The farmers have told us for months it’s going to get worse largely due to the green policies that your side supports.

No one is saying that the market won’t comeback or the country wont recover. That’s always a flippant remark because there’s a lot of loss and suffering that goes on between the start of a depression until the time of recovery. Not everyone will recover. The part that angers some of is that this didn’t have to happen nor did 2008. The people like yourself who only have to worry about their stock portfolios really have no worries.

 

[DCLMP]

I was just greatly simplifying it.

If someone is against position A they will feel it is wrong it is being forced on them.

If someone agrees with position A, they will feel it is necessary to force it upon themselves and others for the greater good.

What I consider to be for the greater good and what you consider to be for the greater good are most likely polar opposites. Where you are wrong is not everyone is like you and feels the need to force their views on others. This is why we will continue to be the divided states of America.

 

[Lehuaann]

Let's pause a moment. I have to love how everyone's favorite innocent soccer fan, Buzz Rules, always finds a way to create a thread that precariously grazes a topic that easily gets a thread locked.

Remember the thread about the Afterlife? "No religious discussions intended!"
I think there was one about ghosts too...

 

[Robbie Cottam]

I have a better question,

If we could have a fail safe nuclear reactor, that could remove our dependence of fossil fuel could we keep the electric

 

[dvcgirl67]

No I don’t have you confused with some else, but I’m not going to go back and find the post. I would love to know why you think the fed can continue to control the debt market forever. How do you think they are going to get a handle on inflation when inflation is also being caused by shortages and not just money printing. The farmers have told us for months it’s going to get worse largely due to the green policies that your side supports.

No one is saying that the market won’t comeback or the country wont recover. That’s always a flippant remark because there’s a lot of loss and suffering that goes on between the start of a depression until the time of recovery. Not everyone will recover. The part that angers some of is that this didn’t have to happen nor did 2008. The people like yourself who only have to worry about their stock portfolios really have no worries.

We just don't see the world the same way. And we get our news/information from different places. There's par for the course these days....so agree to disagree.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I have a better question,

If we could have a fail safe nuclear reactor, that could remove our dependence of fossil fuel could we keep the electric

Yes, I think we should be pursuing nuclear power as we try to transition from fossil fuels to renewable. And by pursue...I mean building more nuclear plants. I know there are obviously risks with safety/storage, but I think it's a risk we need to take.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Yes, I think we should be pursuing nuclear power as we try to transition from fossil fuels to renewable. And by pursue...I mean building more nuclear plants. I know there are obviously risks with safety/storage, but I think it's a risk we need to take.

Most renewable create more carbon in there creation than just burning oil.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Yes the wheels have come off of this one. Just think how much time we are wasting on this. I could be watching soccer instead.... The OP would approve.

There are a couple good games on now and later tonight, just an FYI.

 

[Buzz Rules]

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At least save the soccer ball.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Most renewable create more carbon in there creation than just burning oil.

So...it takes more carbon to create a solar panel than the energy that the panel produces over its lifetime? Is that what you mean...not necessarily a solar panel, but a similar renewable?