2022 Point Charts Are Out

[wishicouldgomoreofte]

Really? A full week after Easter? Odd. Definitely not the case here in MN!

I don't know what calendar you are looking at, but the point charts for 2021 and 2022 both are the week leading up to and ending on Easter. Easter is April 4 in 2021, and that week on the points chart is March 28-April 4.
Easter is April 17 in 2022, and that week on the points chart is April 10-April 17.

 

[wishicouldgomoreofte]

Well there is basically 363 days of festivals at Epcot now all with food booths so I think you will be okay. Example they have one going on now which ends like January 3rd and then Festival of the Arts starts up on the 8th until like March and I would suspect another quick turn around until Flower and Garden.

Oh and September 1-14 got lowered in point cost last year and wasn't changed this year if you really want to hit F+W and save points.



Well since summer is by far the slowest and easiest to book pretty much across all of DVC obviously there is more demand in the fall and thus per the rules of the contract they are supposed to address it with adjusting points.

LOL 363 days of festivals. LOL

 

[ziravan]

A runDisney Wine and Dine (week 44) fixed week at CCV continues to be a great deal - the 118-point cost is now cheaper than the 121 points it would cost to book the studio on your own, beginning in 2022.

Curious how many others there are like this! Week 49 stays the same at 107 (but I would guess those changes are coming in a later year), week 50 closes the gap on the 118-point cost depending on how many days after December 15 it takes up.

My week 44 lake view poly fixed week that I bought at a 10% premium of 168 points for what normally cost 153 to book is now at an almost 10% discount :

168 point fixed week and 181 point booking cost.

The fixed week is 13 points cheaper now.

boom!

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Just waiting to see if they adjust the first two weeks of December next year. Any chance they don’t change those weeks?

 

[JETSDAD]

Just waiting to see if they adjust the first two weeks of December next year. Any chance they don’t change those weeks?

I had assumed that was the plan for this year so I wonder if they're happy leaving it as is.

 

[CarolMN]

I don't know what calendar you are looking at, but the point charts for 2021 and 2022 both are the week leading up to and ending on Easter. Easter is April 4 in 2021, and that week on the points chart is March 28-April 4.
Easter is April 17 in 2022, and that week on the points chart is April 10-April 17.

That's a recent change that began with the 2021 charts when they went to 7 "seasons". I remember the week before Easter and the week after Easter as both in the Premier season. In 2020, both weeks are in Premier season.

 

[drusba]

Just waiting to see if they adjust the first two weeks of December next year. Any chance they don’t change those weeks?

My guess is that the changes are done for now and we will not see any next year. For that Dec time, it looks like a conscious decision was made to keep it low, e.g., for studios points are even going down from 2021, despite that DVC knows those two weeks are at the top of all weeks for demand. Why that was done is an unknown. Both Zavandor and I have added our speculation earlier in this thread and I am intrigued with his, but, in any event, two years of changes is likely all we will see until some time passes to see if the changes have any real impact on spreading out demand.

 

[Judique]

I had also assumed that they would have increased the beginning of December more this year. Overall the new charts help me slightly for my normal bookings. Most stayed the same, beginning of May reduced a small amount.

They had to save something to do for next year. Said by someone struggling to book what I want in November due to the December walkers. Next year I will join in the walk and get it done once a week unlike having to search each day for the last week.

 

[sethschroeder]

My guess is that the changes are done for now and we will not see any next year.

I think I have said this before but I think its at least 3-4 years of larger shifts before it settles down. I think they are only about half way through their ultimate goal. We will see though.

2021 and 2022 were not actually anything more than stepping stones to what their plan actually is, IMO.

 

[Minniemoo15]

I do understand why fall is more points and will help them achieve their goals of shifting demand ... but why has my first week in March at Poly gone up nearly 10% in 2 years? It’s always been the 2nd highest point-wise season. Making it even more expensive doesn’t seem like it will do much to shift demand??

ETA: I’m hoping someone smarter than me can help me figure out this chart that someone posted in the DVC fan FB group.

Shouldn’t the number of increases somewhat balance out with decreases? Looking at this it looks like there is +61 increase and -12 decrease for a net result of +49? I’m sure there is an explanation but I am too much of a novice to see it at first glance.

 

[sethschroeder]

I do understand why fall is more points and will help them achieve their goals of shifting demand ... but why has my first week in March at Poly gone up nearly 10% in 2 years? It’s always been the 2nd highest point-wise season. Making it even more expensive doesn’t seem like it will do much to shift demand??

ETA: I’m hoping someone smarter than me can help me figure out this chart that someone posted in the DVC fan FB group.

Shouldn’t the number of increases somewhat balance out with decreases? Looking at this it looks like there is +61 increase and -12 decrease for a net result of +49? I’m sure there is an explanation but I am too much of a novice to see it at first glance.

Likely based on Spring Break being spread even more so than it has been in the past. So now all March and April are becoming a high demand season only behind really Christmas/Easter.

Just guessing.

 

[sethschroeder]

ETA: I’m hoping someone smarter than me can help me figure out this chart that someone posted in the DVC fan FB group.

Shouldn’t the number of increases somewhat balance out with decreases? Looking at this it looks like there is +61 increase and -12 decrease for a net result of +49? I’m sure there is an explanation but I am too much of a novice to see it at first glance.

Issue is that you need to account that dates shifted seasons as well. I created the below as a recap for our Riviera thread on here. Summer got shifted down a point tier and in addition that season also saw a decrease for Lake View per your chart.

We have 2022 Point Charts out

Changes:

• Season Changes (1 = Cheapest / 7 = Most Expensive)
  • December 15-23
    • Was: Season 2
    • Now: Season 3
  • Oct 1 - Nov 30 (excluding 3 days around Thanksgiving)
    • Was: Season 3
    • Now: Season 4
  • June 11 - Aug 15
    • Was: Season 5
    • Now: Season 4
• Point Changes
  • Nothing specifically significant to any season
  • Nightly changes everything was 1 point except the following (excluding GVs)
    • Season 3 / 2BR Std / Fri-Sa / Down 3 points per night
    • Season 4 / 2BR Pref / Fri-Sa / Up 2 points per night
• "Awards"
  • Biggest Winner: People who stay in the summer (week in July went from 146/183 to 130/164 in Studio or 398/494 to 375/449 in 2BR)
  • Biggest Loser: People who stay in the fall (week in Oct-Nov went from 123/155 to 130/164 in Studio or 345/412 to 375/449 in 2BR)

2022 Seasons:

1. Sept 1-19
2. Jan 1-31; Sep 20-30; Dec 1-14
3. May 1-June 10; Dec 15-23
4. Feb 1-15; June 11-Aug 31; Oct 1-Nov 22; Nov 26-30 (excludes 3 days of Thanksgiving)
5. Apr 24-30 (Sunday after Easter through end of April)
6. Feb 16-Apr 9; April 18-23 (excludes Easter week); Nov 23-25 (Thanksgiving)
7. Apr 10-17 (Easter); Dec 24-31 (Christmas)

 

[gmflash88]

I don't know what calendar you are looking at, but the point charts for 2021 and 2022 both are the week leading up to and ending on Easter. Easter is April 4 in 2021, and that week on the points chart is March 28-April 4.
Easter is April 17 in 2022, and that week on the points chart is April 10-April 17.

As stated in a reply previous to the one you quoted, I'm an idiot. I was looking at Easter 2021 and the 2022 Point Chart.

 

[gmflash88]

Lots of MN schools have the week after Easter off. MN school districts vary when they have their spring break. My kid's school aligns the spring with the week after Easter.

Well I guess I learned something new today! I've never in my school life or that of my kids' not had Spring Break in March. We'll never travel during that timeframe anyway, but I was curious. Thank you for the reply!

 

[Sandisw]

I do understand why fall is more points and will help them achieve their goals of shifting demand ... but why has my first week in March at Poly gone up nearly 10% in 2 years? It’s always been the 2nd highest point-wise season. Making it even more expensive doesn’t seem like it will do much to shift demand??

ETA: I’m hoping someone smarter than me can help me figure out this chart that someone posted in the DVC fan FB group.

Shouldn’t the number of increases somewhat balance out with decreases? Looking at this it looks like there is +61 increase and -12 decrease for a net result of +49? I’m sure there is an explanation but I am too much of a novice to see it at first glance.

I think one has to also look at the dates that shifted and that could be what is accounting for some differences,

If there are more days in one season than last year, then the net result can be impacted, I didn’t look that closely, but is it possible that is the reason? And, there will always be a slight change, because you have the lock off premium in there, as well as needing to consider the totals are based on a base year when determine neutral change.

 

[Minniemoo15]

I think one has to also look at the dates that shifted and that could be what is accounting for some differences,

If there are more days in one season than last year, then the net result can be impacted, I didn’t look that closely, but is it possible that is the reason? And, there will always be a slight change, because you have the lock off premium in there, as well as needing to consider the totals are based on a base year when determine neutral change.

So if they can add more dates to the high seasons... what’s to stop them from making the entire year one top tier season? An extreme example but just trying to wrap my head around it all. Shouldn’t any dates added to the top seasons be off-setted by dates being added to the lower seasons? And shouldn’t Poly not have lock off premiums since it is all studios? I am sorry ... this is all way over my head and I am thankful to have you all to turn to!

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I think one has to also look at the dates that shifted and that could be what is accounting for some differences,

If there are more days in one season than last year, then the net result can be impacted, I didn’t look that closely, but is it possible that is the reason? And, there will always be a slight change, because you have the lock off premium in there, as well as needing to consider the totals are based on a base year when determine neutral change.

They referenced PVB it looks like which is one resort completely spared from the lock off premium. It does have the Bungalow blues though.

 

[Minniemoo15]

They referenced PVB it looks like which is one resort completely spared from the lock off premium. It does have the Bungalow blues though.

What I don’t get is according to that chart, the bungalows only went up in cost. So it’s not like they lowered bungalows to offset the studio increase which would actually make sense to me.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

So if they can add more dates to the high seasons... what’s to stop them from making the entire year one top tier season? An extreme example but just trying to wrap my head around it all. Shouldn’t any dates added to the top seasons be off-setted by dates being added to the lower seasons? And shouldn’t Poly not have lock off premiums since it is all studios? I am sorry ... this is all way over my head and I am thankful to have you all to turn to!

DVC could equalize points across all seasons and just have one chart if they felt that was appropriate. Each POS does state what each unit would look like if it were done and they can't just arbitrarily pick a season they normalized over the entire year.

 

[Sandisw]

They referenced PVB it looks like which is one resort completely spared from the lock off premium. It does have the Bungalow blues though.

Wasn’t even thinking about that. Thanks for catching!