Lilsia
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Such a sad reminder of how the U.S. has failed so many people. You really expose it all during a pandemic.
There are failures, but sometimes people need to do more to help themselves.
Such a sad reminder of how the U.S. has failed so many people. You really expose it all during a pandemic.
There are failures, but sometimes people need to do more to help themselves.
So, basically, you are looking at school as babysitting and the parents have more rights to say what a teacher has to do (risk getting COVID) than that teacher herself?
70% of the people called about contact tracing in my community refused to answer the questions.
70%!!!!
I’ve read something similar in my area. Anyone care to enlighten me why people are so afraid or suspicious of contract tracing? Is it because they don’t want people they know to have to quarantine and miss work? I can sorta see if they are trying to protect someone who is struggling financially and needs to work. I don’t agree with it, but I can understand if this is their reasoning.
Privacy concerns is a big one. In my state it's voluntary with tight controls over who can get your information and what they can do with it and how long its in the system and apps are prohibited from being used by the health department and the governments as a means of contact tracing. The decision was to make it voluntary with the idea that mandatory would make people be more tight-lipped.I’ve read something similar in my area. Anyone care to enlighten me why people are so afraid or suspicious of contract tracing? Is it because they don’t want people they know to have to quarantine and miss work? I can sorta see if they are trying to protect someone who is struggling financially and needs to work. I don’t agree with it, but I can understand if this is their reasoning.
I assure you that a huge percentage of folks from NYC are not doing that. I live in Nc and have been back and forth to our family beach home in SC and since March it has been nothing but New York plates all over the Carolinas. Well and Michigan too. Lots of Michigan right now. The beach was literally turned into a little New York. Non masking New York. I even met several people who were trying to rent long term to get away from regulations so that they could “have fun” this summer."I literally don't know a single person who stayed at home consistently all summer."
I'm in NYC. We haven't gone anywhere since March. I don't know anyone who has gone anywhere since March.
You realize that NYC and NY aren’t the same, I don’t know of anyone in NYC who even owns a car.I assure you that a huge percentage of folks from NYC are not doing that. I live in Nc and have been back and forth to our family beach home in SC and since March it has been nothing but New York plates all over the Carolinas. Well and Michigan too. Lots of Michigan right now. The beach was literally turned into a little New York. Non masking New York. I even met several people who were trying to rent long term to get away from regulations so that they could “have fun” this summer.
You realize that NYC and NY aren’t the same, I don’t know of anyone in NYC who even owns a car.
ETA I forgot Staten Island, the folks I know who live there have cars.
You're correct that many people don't own cars who live in the city proper but people can still rent cars. If you don't have a car and you want to do a weekend getaway for example how else are you going to get there? Rental cars being one of them. I think it's probably difficult to know exactly where someone lives just by their plates other than typically speaking rental car agencies register cars in a higher percentage in certain states.You realize that NYC and NY aren’t the same, I don’t know of anyone in NYC who even owns a car.
ETA I forgot Staten Island, the folks I know who live there have cars.
My brother lives in Woodlawn Heights and we just had this conversation the other day. The NYC public school system serves just about a million homeless kids across the system. ONE. MILLION. kids that don't have a stable home to quarantine in. Or a place that they can get a meal and feel "normal". It's a terrible predicament to try and figure out how to keep kids safe, while still serving such a huge at-risk population.
Exactly!!! You can drive 4 hours and still be in NY. NYC and upstate New York are like different states. People don’t realize that NYC and other parts of NY are diffent worldsYou realize that NYC and NY aren’t the same, I don’t know of anyone in NYC who even owns a car.
ETA I forgot Staten Island, the folks I know who live there have cars.
Excuse me? My kids don't need a babysitter. They are 13 and 17. Our district asked us to commit to one of three choices. We were told our choice was binding. I chose in-person instruction. The district then decided to take away those choices.
Teachers are eligible under FFRCA to get paid family leave. Districts are also allowing teachers to teach remotely if they chose to do so. There are teachers who want to return to in-person instruction and those who don't. There is room for everyone.
No need to be so judgmental.
The people I have seen post it I am pretty confident, though don't know for 100% certain, are extremely right/libertarian and refuse on philisophical grounds and it has nothing to do with financial reasons. Two in particular work for themselves with little to no contact with others.
And that folks is exactly what I was talking aboutPeople who refuse to answer contract tracing questions are basically ashamed that they actually put themselves at risk and got caught, IMO. My cousin is one of them. They exposed her 85 year old mother with cancer to COVID.
Well, no one is driving from NYC to NC or SC for a long weekend, 10 - 12 hour drive, especially when there are so many closer options like LI, NJ, CT, RI... And folks were running for the hills because they were terrified of getting sick, not to escape restrictions. It was pretty scary.You're correct that many people don't own cars who live in the city proper but people can still rent cars. If you don't have a car and you want to do a weekend getaway for example how else are you going to get there? Rental cars being one of them. I think it's probably difficult to know exactly where someone lives just by their plates other than typically speaking rental car agencies register cars in a higher percentage in certain states.
I'd say either way it's hard to 'prove' per se that someone is or isn't from the NYC area simply because of a plate. I know during stay at home orders people running for the hills so to speak away from NYC to escape restrictions. I don't see why that behavior would completely go away albeit maybe lessened as more understanding of the consequences of the virus has been known.
I think you know what I meant...the premise of renting a car to go on vacation because you don't own a car. I even gave the benefit of the doubt that just because someone has a NY plate does not in fact mean they are from NYC. The weekend trip was in reference to going anywhere that doesn't have public transit when you do not in fact own a carWell, no one is driving from NYC to NC or SC for a long weekend, 10 - 12 hour drive, especially when there are so many closer options like LI, NJ, CT, RI...
You only have to do a bit of digging back in March to find stories about people leaving NYC when the restrictions were getting tight, going to places that weren't as strict. There were countless discussions on this. This also played out in various places around the nation where there is high transience with vacation or secondary homes. I know there was a thread on it as well here. No sense in hiding that people did that. Oh I'm sure people were escaping the tight quarters but that's far from the only reason. Let's not pretend that people didn't do it back then or that people aren't capable of taking vacations or leaving their own small worlds where they live now even in hard hit areas I'm saying as well many other places (so not just NYC) it's realistic to consider it.And folks were running for the hills because they were terrified of getting sick, not to escape restrictions. It was pretty scary.
A lot of people in this area have vacation homes, a lot of my friends do, however, the vast majority have them within a 3 hour drive. My daughter is currently spending the summer 3 hours north in lake george, her best friend has been at her house on cape cod for months. Ds17 is an hour south right now at his friends shore house (just for the day, no overnights this year). All of these vacation homes were under the same exact restrictions, just in less populated areas, so at most they wouldn’t have to stand in long lines to get into stores. Then there are those like my aunt and uncle who have homes in Florida where they live 6 months and 1 day out of the year. Most of them were in Florida anyway. In this area, people tend to escape a lot of weekends, but don’t go that far.I think you know what I meant...the premise of renting a car to go on vacation because you don't own a car. I even gave the benefit of the doubt that just because someone has a NY plate does not in fact mean they are from NYC. The weekend trip was in reference to going anywhere that doesn't have public transit when you do not in fact own a car
You only have to do a bit of digging back in March to find stories about people leaving NYC when the restrictions were getting tight, going to places that weren't as strict. There were countless discussions on this. This also played out in various places around the nation where there is high transience with vacation or secondary homes. I know there was a thread on it as well here. No sense in hiding that people did that. Oh I'm sure people were escaping the tight quarters but that's far from the only reason. Let's not pretend that people didn't do it back then or that people aren't capable of taking vacations or leaving their own small worlds where they live now even in hard hit areas I'm saying as well many other places (so not just NYC) it's realistic to consider it.
I want to move there ...or maybe Iceland
People did escape from places that were having stay at home orders to places that didn't or places where the restriction was less strict. That's not up for debate. I said I don't know why that mentality would be any less these days aside from we know more about how the virus spreads but that does not necessarily mean people will make a different choice.A lot of people in this area have vacation homes, a lot of my friends do, however, the vast majority have them within a 3 hour drive. My daughter is currently spending the summer 3 hours north in lake george, her best friend has been at her house on cape cod for months. Ds17 is an hour south right now at his friends shore house (just for the day, no overnights this year). All of these vacation homes were under the same exact restrictions, just in less populated areas, so at most they wouldn’t have to stand in long lines to get into stores. Then there are those like my aunt and uncle who have homes in Florida where they live 6 months and 1 day out of the year. Most of them were in Florida anyway. In this area, people tend to escape a lot of weekends, but don’t go that far.
People did escape from places that were having stay at home orders to places that didn't or places where the restriction was less strict. That's not up for debate.
I didn't say that no one didn't leave for other reasons. That was never in my comment. There were people who left for looser restrictions that is not up for debate that's what the comment was about. You may have left for a different reason that also is not up for debate nor was I saying people didn't do that Of course there are a variety of reasons..one of which back then was to escape for looser restrictions, I'd anticipate travel right now due to that even in hard hit areas. Another reason was more space so they could go out in a yard or more of a house to move around in, another was because they wanted to go to a place that had less cases (which led to a lot of controversy too). You and the other poster are giving examples for things I never said didn't occurActually it is up for some debate. I think some left NYC not to escape restrictions but rather
To escape being on lock down in a city apartment. No yard, parks closed, etc... If they were working from home anyway, kids were schooling virtually, it made sense to go to a vacation home, to visit grandparents, get a rental, or whatever that would provide at least a yard.
My friends have a mountain cabin. They normally go for frequent long weekends to escape the heat. This summer as soon as the heat hit, they were working from home anyway so it was the perfect summer to just flee the city and stay most of the summer. They weren’t fleeing restrictions just going for cooler temps and a change of scenery since they’d been pretty shut up in their house since early March.