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[DopeyDame]

I don't know the exact training they will receive from the police, but I would imagine it would include some sort of hostage/active shooter training, and how to appropriately use a firearm in those situations. It seems they are being trained as a response to these school shootings, so I would expect their training to include how to respond to a school shooter. You're right that most teachers and administrators would not have this kind of training already, but they would presumably be getting it from the police before being permitted to carry in schools.

I fully understand the argument that teachers have plenty of other things to be doing with their time without worrying about weapons training, etc. That's why I would never support forcing teachers to be armed. To my knowledge, it's only those who volunteer that will receive this training and be allowed to carry a weapon, so they're not being forced or coerced into this

So only volunteer teachers/admins will be armed. But will the students in those classes also be volunteers? Cause there's no way my kids are going to be in a classroom with an armed teacher.

 

[rickybobby]

So only volunteer teachers/admins will be armed. But will the students in those classes also be volunteers? Cause there's no way my kids are going to be in a classroom with an armed teacher.

Why?

 

[sam_gordon]

Why?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/03/us/dancing-fbi-agent-gun-discharge/index.html

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/03/us/dancing-fbi-agent-gun-discharge/index.html

Honestly, that guy was an idiot and needs a better holster. I told several people about that story today and each one responded similar, you don’t do flips while carrying. Then he doesn’t know to keep his finger off of the trigger while picking it up. Im not sure about the carrying while in a bar, I don’t know the laws pertaining to off duty officers at bars, but in most states citizens cannot carry in bars.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

So only volunteer teachers/admins will be armed. But will the students in those classes also be volunteers? Cause there's no way my kids are going to be in a classroom with an armed teacher.

Then sign a waiver stating in the instance of a mass shooter situation you don’t want your kids to be protected by armed teachers or administrators.

 

[DopeyDame]

Why?

Because I don't trust a teacher in a class of 30 six or nine year olds to be able to safely evaluate a situation and respond appropriately in an emergency. And the precautions that would be necessary to allow a gun to be kept around a group of young children all day every day (ie, a locked gun locker and ammunition stored separately) would make it completely useless if an attacker were to ever come into their classroom. And a gun in the classroom would come with the very real risk of harming a student - either through inappropriate use by a teacher or accidental use by a student.

Fortunately our district has been very clear that school resource officers (ie, trained official police officers who aren't distracted by having to teach multiplication to a bunch of loud 9 year olds) are the only people allowed to have weapons in a school.
But the day that policy changes is the day I apply to private schools for my kids.

 

[DopeyDame]

Then sign a waiver stating in the instance of a mass shooter situation you don’t want your kids to be protected by armed teachers or administrators.

Waiver won't be needed. My kids won't be in the school.

 

[sam_gordon]

Honestly, that guy was an idiot and needs a better holster. I told several people about that story today and each one responded similar, you don’t do flips while carrying. Then he doesn’t know to keep his finger off of the trigger while picking it up. Im not sure about the carrying while in a bar, I don’t know the laws pertaining to off duty officers at bars, but in most states citizens cannot carry in bars.

Totally agree with you. But if a LEO, who, in theory, had received a CONSIDERABLE amount of training in how to handle firearms, can make such a stupid mistake, does it not make sense that some teacher or administrator, getting a LOT less training, could make a similar mistake?

I still haven't decided where I stand on arming teachers, but making it sound like all armed school personnel will receive enough training and someone won't get accidentally shot is naive.

 

[tex1989]

Supposedly the proposal in Texas (which I have not yet fully read) would offer to those who wish to carry training. As far as carrying it and storing it, I would assume that like I have a simple biometric lock box could contain the weapon in the classroom without fear of any students being in contact with it. Certainly there are issues with this proposal and even those trained in armed disputes do not always make the right choices. However that being said I would rather have something, or someone in between a shooter and the students if the situation arises. While single point entry and metal detectors can keep kids from getting into the school with hidden weapons if a shooter like the last several come on campus they are not sneaking anything in. The come in armed and shooting. The solution will be multi facited and multi level and the hope would be the very threat of someone on campus to shoot back would deter them from doing it in the first place. Let's face it the last two were captured alive because one ran with the crowd and the other just gave up when confronted. The Santa Fe shooter had planned suicide but backed out of his plan in the end. These shooters see what they are doing as an extension of some video game until such time as it happens and then it gets all to real. The Florida shooter could do damage from a distance with his weapon but the Santa Fe shooter had to be pretty close to his victims based on what he was using.

 

[robinb]

Totally agree with you. But if a LEO, who, in theory, had received a CONSIDERABLE amount of training in how to handle firearms, can make such a stupid mistake, does it not make sense that some teacher or administrator, getting a LOT less training, could make a similar mistake?

I still haven't decided where I stand on arming teachers, but making it sound like all armed school personnel will receive enough training and someone won't get accidentally shot is naive.

Speaking of which, another LEO shot himself in the leg accidentally while pursuing a woman with an airsoft gun (which looked like a real gun) in San Diego yesterday. Another officer shot at her and missed. I don't see how we can expect teachers to handle firearms better than trained LEOs.

 

[longboard55]

how about we provide every school metal scanners and a full security crew to man them along with armed guards.

And tax gun owners to pay for it

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

how about we provide every school metal scanners and a full security crew to man them along with armed guards.

And tax gun owners to pay for it

lol I really can't tell if you're being serious or not.

Metal detectors do not just detect...guns...

 

[luvsJack]

Because I don't trust a teacher in a class of 30 six or nine year olds to be able to safely evaluate a situation and respond appropriately in an emergency. And the precautions that would be necessary to allow a gun to be kept around a group of young children all day every day (ie, a locked gun locker and ammunition stored separately) would make it completely useless if an attacker were to ever come into their classroom. And a gun in the classroom would come with the very real risk of harming a student - either through inappropriate use by a teacher or accidental use by a student.

Fortunately our district has been very clear that school resource officers (ie, trained official police officers who aren't distracted by having to teach multiplication to a bunch of loud 9 year olds) are the only people allowed to have weapons in a school.
But the day that policy changes is the day I apply to private schools for my kids.

I find the bolded rather sad. You seriously do not think you can trust your childrens' teachers to respond appropriately in an emergency? You do realize that in most school situations, their teacher is the only one they have to respond? Every one else is outside that door.

I feel blessed to know that I could have, at any time, trusted the teachers of my kids. A few, I know for a fact would lay down their lives for their kids.

 

[Domo]

I find the bolded rather sad. You seriously do not think you can trust your childrens' teachers to respond appropriately in an emergency? You do realize that in most school situations, their teacher is the only one they have to respond? Every one else is outside that door.

I feel blessed to know that I could have, at any time, trusted the teachers of my kids. A few, I know for a fact would lay down their lives for their kids.

I don't trust anyone with a gun. All that power, that possibility to strip life away from an individual, be they guilty or not...

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I don't trust anyone with a gun. All that power, that possibility to strip life away from an individual, be they guilty or not...

Respectfully you keep commenting about guns but then saying something in the next breath that has nothing to do with just guns. Plenty of people, objects, have the power to 'strip away life from an individual'.

 

[Domo]

Respectfully you keep commenting about guns but then saying something in the next breath that has nothing to do with just guns. Plenty of people, objects, have the power to 'strip away life from an individual'.

I'm just saying, it would be wonderful to live in a world without guns. Impractical as people are inherently stupid and violent, but a wonderful dream nonetheless.

 

[luvsJack]

I'm just saying, it would be wonderful to live in a world without guns. Impractical as people are inherently stupid and violent, but a wonderful dream nonetheless.

You do realize that guns are not just for killing people or even defense?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I'm just saying, it would be wonderful to live in a world without guns. Impractical as people are inherently stupid and violent, but a wonderful dream nonetheless.

And I'm just saying you're very focused on guns without regards to other things.

Again in one comment you say something related to guns and the next breath something not related to just guns.

I admire your worldview but removing guns does not remove the ability for someone to have power to 'strip away life from an individual'. Power to do harm to other people or other animals is and never will be limited to the presence or absence of guns.

 

[LongLiveRafiki]

So only volunteer teachers/admins will be armed. But will the students in those classes also be volunteers? Cause there's no way my kids are going to be in a classroom with an armed teacher.

I am pretty confident that students would never be included as people eligible to carry guns.

how about we provide every school metal scanners and a full security crew to man them along with armed guards.

And tax gun owners to pay for it

Why in the world would gun owners be solely responsible for paying for security measures that protect ALL students?

 

[rickybobby]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/03/us/dancing-fbi-agent-gun-discharge/index.html

I am speaking only on theory, but my thoughts are that teachers would not be carrying, and guns will be in an "open only in emergency" type of lockup that would set off an alarm if opened. This may leave a group exposed to the intruder if he/she storms into the classroom, but others in rooms nearby, hearing the alarm sounded, would be able to arm themselves.