WishUponAStarryNight
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CT governor announced today that all restrictions and mask requirements will be lifted on May 19 (except for perhaps masks in schools). “Normal” is just a month away....
Ours was lifted months ago, but businesses still require them. Is there such a thing as normal anymore?CT governor announced today that all restrictions and mask requirements will be lifted on May 19 (except for perhaps masks in schools). “Normal” is just a month away....
Most people do beat it, but maybe we shouldn't turn this thread into another judgemental thread?"Lack of need" is still (to this day) an illusion though. Unfortunately, some people learned it the hard way*.
(People who thought they had a strong immune system capable of beating it easily.)
Most people do beat it, but maybe we shouldn't turn this thread into another judgemental thread?
Your guesses as to why some people may prefer not to be vaccinated don't include several reasonable concerns and/or a perceived lack of need.
Agreed, but people should be able to state their concerns about the vaccine or simply not want it without being made to feel stupid. I feel like a lot of the comments on here not by you necessarily kind of imply that.*Edited*
Agree to disagree: I was stating a fact, not being judgmental.
Plus, I have compassion for all of those who have been infected. No matter how seriously (or not) they have been taking this virus.
There a lot of information written by credible iwritten by doctors and scientist on both sides.
If your just looking at percentages the risk calculation of that 30 to 40% is spot on. I have no opinion on wether some one should or should not get the vaccine, but I can see by the numbers the risk of dying from Covid or having an adverse reaction from the vaccine are extremely low.There are no credible doctors or scientists who have written anything credible regarding why the vast majority of the population shouldn't get the vaccine. There are some very small and few exceptions for some people with very unique medical situations, but certainly not to the tune of the 30-40% of people who say that they won't get it. All credible doctors and scientists in virology/epidemiology are saying to get vaccinated. The people who aren't listening aren't "stupid" but humans, by their nature, have very skewed risk calculations.
I love the quote about human's having very skewed risk calculations and I feel like that is the best explanation I have seen in a long time about why folks are so hesitant to be vaccinated even as we see (at least in Michigan) rates rise again....I am able to offer vaccines to ever patient I admit in my local hospital, and of the percentage that are not already vaccinated, I would say that only 1 in 10 choose to have the vaccine's 1st dose during their stay.There are no credible doctors or scientists who have written anything credible regarding why the vast majority of the population shouldn't get the vaccine. There are some very small and few exceptions for some people with very unique medical situations, but certainly not to the tune of the 30-40% of people who say that they won't get it. All credible doctors and scientists in virology/epidemiology are saying to get vaccinated. The people who aren't listening aren't "stupid" but humans, by their nature, have very skewed risk calculations.
Why is the risk skewed when the recovery rate is 99.5% or higher. I'm part of that of percent. If you want to prevent getting Covid maybe your analysis would make sense, but the chance of dying from it is extremely low. I think that's what people are looking at when they decide whether they want to take a new vaccine with a lot of unknowns.I love the quote about human's having very skewed risk calculations and I feel like that is the best explanation I have seen in a long time about why folks are so hesitant to be vaccinated even as we see (at least in Michigan) rates rise again....I am able to offer vaccines to ever patient I admit in my local hospital, and of the percentage that are not already vaccinated, I would say that only 1 in 10 choose to have the vaccine's 1st dose during their stay.
We have discussed this topic to death in the past - and there is very little interest in educating someone who still is unsure - but this one graph should sum it up.Why is the risk skewed when the recovery rate is 99.5% or higher. I'm part of that of percent. If you want to prevent getting Covid maybe your analysis would make sense, but the chance of dying from it is extremely low. I think that's what people are looking at when they decide whether they want to take a new vaccine with a lot of unknowns.
Statistically dying from any of those is very low, and the people that do die from Covid already have many of those other things you listed. You also didn't break it down by age and health status.We have discussed this topic to death in the past - and there is very little interest in educating someone who still is unsure - but this one graph should sum it up.
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Statistically dying from any of those is very low, and the people that do die from Covid already have many of those other things you listed. You also didn't break it down by age and health status.
Let's entertain for a moment that these numbers are statistically not important. OK. There are 36,000 motor vehicle deaths annually in the US. I take it our cars shouldn't need breaks or seat belts then? Or we should do away with licensed pilots when there are less than 2,000 air travel fatalities every year? Or scrap the enforcement of the rule of law altogether when there are just 20,000 homicides annually?Statistically dying from any of those is very low, and the people that do die from Covid already have many of those other things you listed. You also didn't break it down by age and health status.
Death isn't the only negative outcome of getting COVID. By focusing on the mortality rate, you are missing people who may have lived but are suffering permanent health impairments from it. There are people who now need double lung transplants and kidney transplants. Some people have suffered strokes and damage to their hearts from COVID. A significant number of people are suffering from Long COVID. I spoke to a family friend a few weeks ago who came down with COVID in October and still can't climb a flight of stairs without becoming out of breath.Statistically dying from any of those is very low, and the people that do die from Covid already have many of those other things you listed. You also didn't break it down by age and health status.
2. India - hit hard by the pandemic - has slipped behind the UK, which is leading most countries in national vaccination rates.
3. Brazil - another country hit hard by (and politically motivated against) the pandemic - has disappeared entirely from the top 10 list.
IMO, the survival rate says... absolutely nothing. The most important rate is the one that involves those who recover but suffered severe symptoms (with mid/long term consequences like strokes and heart attacks) and long haulers.
Now for those who care so much about survival rates, I don’t know about you but I’d pick 0,0016% over 1,4% (that’s the most recent data I have found) anytime, especially since the first one can protect me —and most likely others— against the latter (Not only from death but also from severe symptoms).