Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reaction and Discussion *CONTAINS SPOILERS*

[Q-man]

So I have to ask them. What did you want or what did you expect from this film? A episode 5 remake? I’m just trying to understand why some dislike it so much. I’m young and obviously didn’t grow up with the originals so I have a different view point. I also know die hards who did like it.

I think the issue is TFA recaptured the feel of the OT and this movie throws most of TFA under the bus and returns to the prequels' CGI love.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I was a huge lost fan. I remember how the internet over analyzed everything was people screen capping scenes to see what book was in the background of scene. Then because some book was in the background it must mean something significant to that character or the overall mystery of the show. When the truth of it was it was a book that the creators liked and just wanted to put it into scene.

Also one the problems lost had was when they answered a mystery it just upset a lot people cause it was not the answer they wanted. When they did not answer a mystery people were upset about that.

Great analogy. It also reminds me of WWE where fans get upset when storylines or matches are not booked how they would book it - and rather than just rating/analyzing/enjoying what happened they compare it to what didn't happen .... but everyone has envisioned something different so impossible to make everyone happy if that is how you judge

Not saying everyone is doing this - if you just didn't like than so be it - but do see at least some of this happening

 

[Q-man]

The casino scene setup a couple things that i think might end up being in the next movie. One the boy is the one that helped Rose and Finn. He could be Rey's apprentience in the next movie. I also see the thief coming back.

Benecio's character was set up to be the new Lando.

 

[rteetz]

I think the issue is TFA recaptured the feel of the OT and this movie throws almost all of TFA under the bus.

I guess. I’m not sure I agree whole heartedly though. I think maybe Kathleen Kennedy could have went with one director for the whole trilogy and then we would have gotten one view the whole way through. I do agree some aspects in this movie were meh. I still liked it though and felt it made it stand out on its own without being like episode 5.

I’m interested to see how 9 is now going back with JJ at the helm. Originally there was a completely different director so we could have had a third view point.

 

[TomServo27]

I think this pretty much nails my main problems with it. The prequels came out when I was a kid (11ish) and I was pretty ‘eh’ on them. I LOVED Force Awakens. My absolute favorite. I realize that’s an unpopular opinion because many people felt it was too similar to A New Hope, but with Rey (and Finn, but mainly Rey) it didn’t feel that way to me. It made me so excited for his trilogy. And I just feel like (I might butcher spellings here, apologies) Rian didn’t like what JJ Abrams had done, and tried to get away from it. This isn’t the first recent trilogy where I’ve loved the first one, and then it (in my eyes) goes off the rails when they bring in a new director for the second. I really wish the movie studios would cut that out.

I sort of agree with the one director thing which we will get in the next trilogy evidently. With that said switching to Kershner for Empire may have saved the original trilogy.

 

[saskdw]

I really wanted to like this movie I honestly did, but then I didn't like it at all, that doesn't make me a complainer or mean I don't get to watch anymore movies. I really liked TFA and I still do, I don't remember leaving a movie with a better feeling than that. Last night I just didn't like it, bad writing, useless story lines, bad cgi and useless comedy. Like why does Luke have to swing across with his big *** fishing spear to stand on a small ledge when he could just do that from the ledge Rey was standing on, why did we have to see him milk that thing, a lot of whys.

We obviously watched a different movie. I enjoyed it immensely.

Who cares about him milking a space walrus? How could that possibly lessen someone's enjoyment of the movie?

IMO, anyone who is worried about that scene after watching this movie is trying way too hard to critique and were never going to enjoy this.

Pretty much every movie made these days has plot holes if you want to look for them hard enough.

 

[saskdw]

There were points in TFA where stuff didn’t need to be there either. I feel every movie has that kind of stuff. This movie needed to stand out and be different and I feel they accomplished that.

This is the point of my earlier post. EVERY movie has plot holes and stuff some people feel was stupid or unnecessary.

The difference is that with the Internet nowadays everyone is a self proclaimed movie critic.

I wonder what the reaction would have been to the original Star Wars if there was Internet sites like this to complain on? Would Star Wars even be a thing now?

 

[saskdw]

I just feel like there was a lot that I was definitely not expecting. .

I think that was the point. TFA was ripped by some for being a reboot and to predictable.

They made a point of making this one with a lot of unpredictable twists and unexpected things.

 

[AMusicLifeForMe]

I think that was the point. TFA was ripped by some for being a reboot and to predictable.

They made a point of making this one with a lot of unpredictable twists and unexpected things.

Part of the reason why I want to give this movie another shot. Opening night emotions were everywhere in the theater. It made it difficult to follow the story at times so I really want to see it going in with a different viewpoint. I think at first everything wasn’t making sense to me, and now I want to try and connect the dots.

 

[saskdw]

Not sure why that was needed really . .just didn't seem to fit. Yes .. we needed a way for all the high command to be dead or incapicitated, but even though they had all her other scenes filmed, couldn't they have just sent Carrie Fisher off with that being her death? The Vice Admiral / Poe mutiny would have played off exactly the same since Leia was in a coma that whole time anyway. What did she really add to the end of the film besides sorta of officially "hand off" the Resistance to the next generation with the line "Don't look at me, follow him!"?

I guess there was the Luke/Leia scenes at the end as well .. but still. Leia now dying between movies is an unfortunate sendoff.

It totally fit.

The force is strong in Leia just like Luke. What I took from that moment was that Luke had trained Leia a little in the force and it was cool to see her use it.

30 years passed off camera. It makes total sense that Luke showed Leia some basics in using the force even if she didn't want to be a Jedi. The force is strong in the Skywalker bloodline so she was strong enough to pull that move off.

It was a great moment. The theatre I was in was full of cheers and applause.

 

[saskdw]

There were a lot in my theater last night. I will say that there was not a lot of clapping after the film though in my theater which is strange.

People were clapping, cheering and laughing throughout the movie at my theatre. Pretty much a standing O when the movie ended. People were very excited leaving the theatre.

 

[saskdw]

Another thing about this to is maybe she really is a nobody? Disney might be going a different way. Yes, the first 6 movies basically followed a "Skywalker." However, Anakin was basically a nobody as well. So, maybe Rey is just another start of a family line that we don't know much about.

Being a nobody is how she is going to inspire a new generation of resistance. No one came to aide the old resistance in its final moment of need.

Rey being a nobody and not Jedi royalty will inspire all the other nobody's to band together for the cause. I believe that is where they are going with this.

 

[saskdw]

The way I remember it reaction to empire was just oh crap what just happened but it was all positive. But people didn’t sit around theorizing constantly like they do today you didn’t have the expectations like people do today you were just going to a movie looking to enjoy the ride. Also I was like 12 so memories are a little fuzzy but it was such a different time nobody was breaking down trailers back then.

Exactly.

 

[TomServo27]

People were clapping, cheering and laughing throughout the movie at my theatre. Pretty much a standing O when the movie ended. People were very excited leaving the theatre.

There was three or four times in the theater I was in of spontaneous applause during the movie and applause after the movie but not a standing ovation. I didn’t stick around to hear if there was much excitement after as I bolted as soon as the movie ended since I wake up at 4 am during the week. The theater was more into than when I saw TFA on opening night which really was disappointing at the time. But that theater was also much smaller.

 

[umichigan10]

My theater enjoyed it. I was just more stuck trying to process things honestly

 

[TomServo27]

I think the energy in a theater can really completely change the way you feel about a movie initially. The greatest theater experience I ever had was the midnight showing of episode 1. The theater exploded when the music started and the opening crawl appeared. That energy was in the theater the whole night and I left really liking a movie that wasn’t very good.

 

[Skywise]

Well, the big difference is that Star Wars isn't science fiction. Science fiction is based on actual scientific principals

Star Wars is really a fantasy and actually more of a Westen movie set in space with some Eastern Religion elements thrown in

Oh absolutely - let me rephrase that - most SPACESHIP movies up to that point were serious and dramatic and not "fun".

 

[rteetz]

Interesting theory I read on Twitter. Some apparently believe JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson didn't see eye to eye. JJ was an executive producer on this film so he had involvement. The theory is JJ built episode 7 to set expectations that would then be blown up by episode 8.

This an interesting way to look at it. I think we will all have to wait until episode 9 to really see how it all connects.

 

[umichigan10]

Interesting theory I read on Twitter. Some apparently believe JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson didn't see eye to eye. JJ was an executive producer on this film so he had involvement. The theory is JJ built episode 7 to set expectations that would then be blown up by episode 8.

This an interesting way to look at it. I think we will all have to wait until episode 9 to really see how it all connects.

I kinda hope there’s an ultimate vision to it (I think lucasfilm at the least has one). Episode 9 is gonna be a doozy though, gotta see how they piece it all together

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I kinda hope there’s an ultimate vision to it (I think lucasfilm at the least has one). Episode 9 is gonna be a doozy though, gotta see how they piece it all together

Makes me wonder if they might consider splitting into two like the did with the last Harry Potter