"It's simply gotten too big, too commercial, too regimented"

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For me, planning a Disney trip somehow IS part of the magic. The anticipation, the buildup. Booking that dinner reservation, scheduling those fast passes. Do your research ahead of time to allow for a more pleasant experience when you arrive. Furthermore, if you have the flexibility to go during an off season, DO IT! My trip during the first week of February last year was great. We had everything planned out, but once we got there had the freedom to make spontaneous changes to our plans, even for the most popular restaurants and attractions.
I agree that planning and dreaming about my vacation is terrific, but I never did spread sheets and never booked ADR's. My plan was all about what park we'd visit, on what day, and a vague list of must-do's. I don't like trying to book attraction reservations 30-60 days out. IMO this is an absurd practice and I'm amazed that Disney has managed to convince 50% of their guest to book ride reservations.
I truly believe that you went to WDW at a time when the neither legacy or FP+ would've been needed. You were able to be spontaneous because the parks weren't crowded. I wonder how you would feel about your experience if you had gone to the parks at a popular time when there was a lot of competition for ADR's and FP+?:confused3
 
...All spontaneity is gone and has been replaced by stress! You have to make and keep a schedule for fear of missing something, you can't decide at the last minute you want to eat someplace or do something nor can you change a plan very easily once you make it...
I do agree w/ Suvaado and the others who feel that the regimented nature of WDW has lessened some of the magic. Definitely doesn't feel like a vacation to me, when I have so many appointments to keep & logistics to calculate.

I also agree with the person who said that all the research, planning, & scheduling makes it more fun for the grown-up. That's totally logical... after all, anytime you successfully implement a project you've spent months developing, you feel the satisfaction of accomplishment! (Too bad the child doesn't get to own that joy the same way the parent does.) I must admit I LOVED my younger years when I as a youth controlled my own fate by prioritizing what I'd let distract me at the park. And then when I was a little older, controlling my own fate by running to obtain as many fast-passes as possible, feeling like I was conquering Disney. And so the reason I enjoy the planning & implementation as an adult is because it takes me back to the days when I did the same as a child. But at the same time, as an adult I abhor the modern structure & commercialism that shouldn't be shoved in my face during MY vacation.

On the one hand, we as parents are simply trying to maximize our children's experience, ensure they have THE BEST TIME POSSIBLE, give them as much of a shot at happiness as any parent could give them. On the other hand, we're using our kids as pawns on the chessboard, to fluff up our "parenting feathers", make us feel good about what we accomplished for them.

My sister & I did a GREAT JOB (lol) last spring giving my nephew the experience of a lifetime at MK. Pretty sure we ended up having more fun than he did (yes, it was unfortunate that he got tired at the wrong times and hungry at the wrong times). But after all, the grown-ups footed the bill... so of course we deserve to enjoy ourselves even if the kid gets tired, right?

That's half-sarcastic, half-true. I don't know what the solution is. But forecasting our kids' hunger and our kids' rides 60 days in advance is as ludicrous as planning their bathroom breaks 60 days in advance. And while Disney would have you believe the solution is simply "spend more days here so you won't be so rushed by your reservation", that's what any slick salesman WOULD say.

So for now, we'll just keep trying to follow Disney's strict rules, cram as many appointments & strategies and costumes as possible into 1 day, and hope for the best. After all, "Little Johnny" is still too young to remember everything. If he has a bit of a rough time because I ran him to too many places or didn't let him nap or eat when he needed, I can always brainwash him for the next few years. Just keep showing him the pictures of him smiling, and tell him how much fun he had (even if he didn't), and eventually I can re-write history in his memories.

But yes, I do feel sad that a Disney vacation now requires this level of pre-planning & structure, at the expense of either spontaneity or missed reservations. And I do feel sad that kids aren't learning for themselves what to enjoy in the moment. (Because, of course, in February I planned what he's going to enjoy in April.)

The upside is that the parks can now service many more kids than in the past. Quantity is inversely proportional to quality.

I hope this reaches some of you in a positive way.
 
For me...and I actually see alot of merit in the reservations systems...not so much hard dining reservations (because its not conducive to amusement parks)...but I digress...

I think what had really affected me is that all the pre planning highlights in brutal fashion all the flaws of wdw...specifically how stale their attractions list is.

I mean...I never thought of the parks as stale...when we could go on what waits we were willing to tolerate, use the original fastpass kiosks, and change food choices on a whim...the parks were more of an "overall" experience for me. And it made me appreciate the lodging, downtown, boardwalk, pleasure island, water parks more as well...

Now that fp+ website forces me to compartmentalize everything and pick apart every detail. And it highlights the warts...manly that 3 parks don't have enough attractions to really warrant reservations and it kills the whole park before you even get there. I don't typically think about captain Eo or the universe of energy...but when I HAVE to preselect them...it makes me think how overpriced the whole day really is for what is unquestionably a shift in Disney philosophy to NOT add things included in the ticket. And that is easy to prove if you break it down to year to year history.

So in a way...the planning has killed my excitement for the planning.

It was much more exciting when I could just read birnbaums...to be honest.
 
For me...and I actually see alot of merit in the reservations systems...not so much hard dining reservations (because its not conducive to amusement parks)...but I digress...

I think what had really affected me is that all the pre planning highlights in brutal fashion all the flaws of wdw...specifically how stale their attractions list is.

I mean...I never thought of the parks as stale...when we could go on what waits we were willing to tolerate, use the original fastpass kiosks, and change food choices on a whim...the parks were more of an "overall" experience for me. And it made me appreciate the lodging, downtown, boardwalk, pleasure island, water parks more as well...

Now that fp+ website forces me to compartmentalize everything and pick apart every detail. And it highlights the warts...manly that 3 parks don't have enough attractions to really warrant reservations and it kills the whole park before you even get there. I don't typically think about captain Eo or the universe of energy...but when I HAVE to preselect them...it makes me think how overpriced the whole day really is for what is unquestionably a shift in Disney philosophy to NOT add things included in the ticket. And that is easy to prove if you break it down to year to year history.

So in a way...the planning has killed my excitement for the planning.

It was much more exciting when I could just read birnbaums...to be honest.


You know, I agree with all the sentiments you are expressing here, but our difference lies with where we place the proverbial blame for the changes of heart. My relatively high level of D touring began in 03, and I still remember the first time going on things like U of E, and being amazed when the entire stage started moving. Today, not so much. If I feel things are stale at the parks, I blame myself for the frequency of my visits and for allowing myself to become bored with some of the best entertainment options available today. Soon I can bring my GD and relive the newness through her. Can't wait.
 
I have been reading these discussions with interest. My family only started going to WDW in 2008. We bought DVC at AKV and since then we have taken a handful of trips... usually every other year, and so far we have been immune to the "staleness" factor.

Our next trip (NYE 2015) will the first of ours to experience first hand all the changes with magic bands and FP+. I am a planner, I make excel spreadsheets for all my potential trips, and go to town so to speak... so in this case I am excited for being able to make reservations for rides on FP+.

We don't really eat out much at WDW... so dining reservation are not something we need to deal with... maybe one here of there. I am addicted to the Kilamanjaro Club at AKV, so between the snacks and my kitchen in the villa we are good to go. Especially with the cancellation fee now, I suspect we will be even more judicious with dining reservations than before.

Even though I am a uber planner... we tend to be unstructured when we actually travel. Sleep in... go when and where we want. We like to chill at the resort and do not usually utilize park hop.. it depends on our tickets at the time. I like that I can make a FP+ reservation for a 'sure thing' on my fav's, but if I miss it and go somewhere else (just like the paper ones) no big deal. Because we are 'late risers' the previous system of paperFP was not something that worked super for us, by the time we would get to a park, we would get FPs for really really late, and then never use them.

I am one of the ones that are excited... because I suspect I will be able to make the best of both worlds: I can plan to my hearts contents and still go with the flow when we are there. I do use my smart phone while at the parks, so I am looking forward to trying out the app while we are there to modify our reservations etc.
 
I have been reading these discussions with interest. My family only started going to WDW in 2008. We bought DVC at AKV and since then we have taken a handful of trips... usually every other year, and so far we have been immune to the "staleness" factor.

Our next trip (NYE 2015) will the first of ours to experience first hand all the changes with magic bands and FP+. I am a planner, I make excel spreadsheets for all my potential trips, and go to town so to speak... so in this case I am excited for being able to make reservations for rides on FP+.

We don't really eat out much at WDW... so dining reservation are not something we need to deal with... maybe one here of there. I am addicted to the Kilamanjaro Club at AKV, so between the snacks and my kitchen in the villa we are good to go. Especially with the cancellation fee now, I suspect we will be even more judicious with dining reservations than before.

Even though I am a uber planner... we tend to be unstructured when we actually travel. Sleep in... go when and where we want. We like to chill at the resort and do not usually utilize park hop.. it depends on our tickets at the time. I like that I can make a FP+ reservation for a 'sure thing' on my fav's, but if I miss it and go somewhere else (just like the paper ones) no big deal. Because we are 'late risers' the previous system of paperFP was not something that worked super for us, by the time we would get to a park, we would get FPs for really really late, and then never use them.

I am one of the ones that are excited... because I suspect I will be able to make the best of both worlds: I can plan to my hearts contents and still go with the flow when we are there. I do use my smart phone while at the parks, so I am looking forward to trying out the app while we are there to modify our reservations etc.



IMO you are on the right track. FPP has made my relaxed trip more relaxed because I can sleep in and still have passes for the headliners or have them on my arrival day which usually is around 6 pm. And if I don't use them no biggie. I'll be back.
 
IMO you are on the right track. FPP has made my relaxed trip more relaxed because I can sleep in and still have passes for the headliners or have them on my arrival day which usually is around 6 pm. And if I don't use them no biggie. I'll be back.

That is exactly what I am hoping for... the pre-planning is part of the excitement for me, but is in no way hard and fast rules my family has to follow.
 
You know, I agree with all the sentiments you are expressing here, but our difference lies with where we place the proverbial blame for the changes of heart. My relatively high level of D touring began in 03, and I still remember the first time going on things like U of E, and being amazed when the entire stage started moving. Today, not so much. If I feel things are stale at the parks, I blame myself for the frequency of my visits and for allowing myself to become bored with some of the best entertainment options available today. Soon I can bring my GD and relive the newness through her. Can't wait.

I would fully agree its "my fault"...

If...big IF...they haven't had a ridiculous price increase policy in play. The level of inflation should...and longterm must be tied to capital reinvestment...and they have attempted to skirt that every conceivable way possible since CMB took over.

That's the hole in the overexposure argument. Higher prices for older stuff...or in some cases - closed stuff...like PI
 
I would fully agree its "my fault"...

If...big IF...they haven't had a ridiculous price increase policy in play. The level of inflation should...and longterm must be tied to capital reinvestment...and they have attempted to skirt that every conceivable way possible since CMB took over.

That's the hole in the overexposure argument. Higher prices for older stuff...or in some cases - closed stuff...like PI

Yeah you are right. I am somewhat shielded from the crazy increases due to DVC and FL resident. In ten years our pass went from about 225 to 325... And last night I bought a 4 day Park hopper for a local friend for 201 including tax... still not terrible considering. I would be not so happy if I had to pay the going rate for AP's.

And PI used to give me a reason to stay at SSR. That was one of the determining factors when I bought it. All the new construction at DTD, they could at least bury some decent clubs within the new restaurants....

So yes, I see your point.
 
I would fully agree its "my fault"...

If...big IF...they haven't had a ridiculous price increase policy in play. The level of inflation should...and longterm must be tied to capital reinvestment...and they have attempted to skirt that every conceivable way possible since CMB took over.

That's the hole in the overexposure argument. Higher prices for older stuff...or in some cases - closed stuff...like PI


However...... If you look at the investment cost over the past years, even though it is a cost that is not so appreciated by the majority here, (MMP) and the capacity increase on MK, ( I am glad it holds more people "more" comfortably) And the bla bla bla..... there is still quite a bit of spending. Hopefully in the near future we will see the spending continue to trend to attractions.

Although....If you view MMP as a cost trimmer for the big D, (which you do, and not necessarily incorrectly IMO) You can't really use it as a investment in the customers benefit. I think they did a good job at masking it as exclusively an experience benefit, when in actuality the benefit is shared.
 
I think the "cost control" facets of the rubber bandies will be rolled out over time...so nobody notices the difference.

It's not that I'm saying they are not spending anything...they are...it's more the move away from the "small" additions - which was a near annual occurrence:..

That coulda been a little thing like a show or theater...or a bigger thing like splash or tower of terror.

But the consistent investment is a part of what made the Disney parks Disney parks...

And I hate see those that argue that "it doesn't matter"...because it is uninformed and will one day result in a collective sigh.

Sooner or later.
 
It's all in opinion. I'm a planner and have been planning our trips long before fastpass+ and my Disney Experience. You can still enjoy Disney without stress. The stress for me is not being able to eat where I want to when I want to or having to stand in the longer lines to ride what I want to ride. I believe you can still go to Disney and have a great time without stress. It's vacation and should be stress free.
 
It's all in opinion. I'm a planner and have been planning our trips long before fastpass+ and my Disney Experience. You can still enjoy Disney without stress. The stress for me is not being able to eat where I want to when I want to or having to stand in the longer lines to ride what I want to ride. I believe you can still go to Disney and have a great time without stress. It's vacation and should be stress free.

To each their own...

But I've got a fun game for you:
Change your reservations last minute...and for more fun - do it during a "slow time" where the parks are 1/2 and the restaurants are a 1/4.

You'll find some interesting little tidbits in the operation
 
That's a quote in the opening paragraph of this article: Huffington Post article. The sentiments of the article certainly reflect all of my feelings about Disney today. All spontaneity is gone and has been replaced by stress! You have to make and keep a schedule for fear of missing something, you can't decide at the last minute you want to eat someplace or do something nor can you change a plan very easily once you make it. Read the article and see what you think.:rolleyes1

I've always been a hyper planner on vacation so it doesn't other me. The only part that does is that it's harder to make multiple contingency plans.
 
I've always been a hyper planner on vacation so it doesn't other me. The only part that does is that it's harder to make multiple contingency plans.

They continually put policies in places so you can't have contingency plans... As they reap maximum rewards from knowing where you'll be and when.

They haven't been too invasive... Yet...but the fear is it will become restrictive - that they'll lock you in to every second (ie every dollar) long in advance...making it easy for Them to count pennies in advance and limit staff to the bare minimum.
 
Count me in the "It isn't that bad " crowd. You have to be strategic, but then again, you always had to be strategic. The first few days of our most recent trip, we let Disney dictate our trip. We ran all over the park trying to make our fast passes and really didn't feel like we were getting much done.

Then we stopped, realized this is OUR vacation and WE decide what to do, not disney. Of course, that meant skipping some fast passes, but it also meant being able to relax and enjoy each other.

I think the key to a really great disney trip is to have at least 5 or 6 days for the parks. I could do 4 days of magic kingdom and still need more! When you have a few days to explore each park, it takes away that rushed, gotta do it all feeling. Missed your mickey fast pass because your toddler wanted to ride the carousel 6 times in a row? Get on your smart phone and change it, or go tomorrow, or just do stand by and chat and enjoy each other as a family.

There is such a go, go, go culture that has taken over. We have become so uncomfortable waiting in lines, talking to each other, we all just want to do it NOW and move onto the next thing, like whiney toddlers.

Also, to really enjoy the vacation, you can't over schedule yourself. Having ADRs and character meals every single day will really eat into your park time. I find it much more advantageous to do 2 or 3 adrs per trip, then a mix of packed lunches and quick service the rest of the time.

I can remember going to disney several times in my youth. I remember hour long lines for splash and big thunder mountain. I remember a 45 minute wait to see Mickey (although the line took you through mickey ' s house in toontown and was much more interesting). I remember a half hour for barnstormer. I remember super crowded main street during fireworks.

It really hasn't changed much since the mid to late 90's/early 2000's, people just like to complain.
 

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