Well, I talk to my husband who's an engineer. I know in a general sense what he does at work; however, I probably couldn't give you a run-down of the steps he takes when he goes into his lab to complete a certain procedure. Likewise, it's easy to "know" what teachers do in the classroom, but there's more to it than is evident. My 14 years of experience in the classroom bears little resemblance to your posts; that's why I question them.
What's your question concerning contracts? I'll try to answer it.
I don't remember--but you alluded to an earlier comment that I had made regarding
to contracts and what it explicitly states. I said it probably doesn't list testing--but you still give them. You said yes as a matter of fact it does.
And then it went on--and I forgot...maybe how your particular contract is worded in regards to workdays and you getting docked. I think that may have been it.
And here's what I was typing....before I saw your most recent post:
Post #304--
First post on this particular part of the argument....
This makes an incredible about of sense!
Many in the work force are salaried. Once salary--the duties can go beyond 40 hours per week without compensated over time. Whatever it takes to get the job done in other words!
Now the salary may not be that of a CEO--but it is still well above the poverty line and it is more than you'd make flipping burgers.
My husband is salaried if he chooses to read a book about new software or something...the company will buy the book, but they will not compensate him the time it takes to read that book. (A very loose example).
Teachers are all in different walks on how much out of classroom time they spend doing their job. I know some who spend a great deal of time--and some who spend very little.
I imagine it is easier to grade an algebra test than it is to grade a research paper. However--it doesn't mean the English teacher is worthy of more money just b/c it takes longer to grade the material.
(And before you bash me as a teacher hater--I don't hate teachers..could they earn more money--sure! But you aren't paid for clock hours. You are paid for the contracted days as someone put it--and technically..any additional time required outside of those days to prepare for classes and grade).
Before that--I just found it curious about teachers having vacation time during the year--even when and posted a poll on the CB b/c I had only known 2 teachers in my life who took a week or more off from work....was genuinely curious. This is somewhere in the 240s.
Promptly after post 304, I was told by another poster that I was making hypocritical statements re: contracts--well...I was just saying what was said earlier...and that I must think teachers only work at school during the school day and no more...when I clearly said they had additional duties beyond the standard workday. (last part of last sentence in the quote). So that was the first insult--to me.....
Post #325...
you said:
Every teacher on this thread is laughing right now! You can't get it done during the school day -- even if you stay late. Well, let me clarify that: you cannot do it well and get it done during the school day.
That would be the first actual INSULT! that I am being laughed at.
The reading comprehension comment was directed b/c I said come in early/leave late. Okay--so you have a team practicing something out your door. I later articulated more clearly--that one could come in early and such. I'm sorry you find that funny. I put in the time in my work building to get my work done--if I had to come in at 5am or stay until 8pm...or both...that is what I did. It was insulting for you to "Laugh" at me.
So I responded in kind with the reading comment...b/c I never said get it done in the school day between 8am and 3pm (or whatever the hours your school day happens to be).
So 2 personal insults--before I got to even 1.
You should go back and read all the posts....you had an ongoing arguent with WIcruizer for a few pages wayyy before I even hopped on the bandwagon. I stayed out of that...b/c I personally didn't agree with his tactic or really all that much what he was saying.
What we have here--is an educated teacher (You are the teacher right--don't want to get flamed for confusing you with the one who is not)---who has attributed the opinions of one person--and blanketed it to me...when I never said a word. Go and read the pages---start at page 21...go back a few more pages.
Please know who you are debating and whom you are not and what their position is.
I never said teaching was easy.
I never said it was limited "school hours".
I never said you got the whole summer off.
I never said that you don't work much.
I never said there was no planning involved...
and a whole host of anti-teacher comments that you keep thinking I have said.
And on this quote:
When I worked in human resources I worked a typical professional schedule: 50 weeks x 5 days - 10 holidays: 240 days. (I literally never brought work home, but that's not really the point here.) As a teacher I work 200 days per year (180 with students, 20 workdays/workshop days). Do I work less now? Yes, but 40 days is not the significant number assumed by many people. My salary, if you were to figure it per hour, is about the same.
I say "I know you don't get summers off--share what I know that our teachers here get"...and then you go and debate me b/c you think I am commenting that you work less?
I don't care. I don't have an argument on that position. And in my earlier calculations--I took the hours and spread them over 52 weeks in error...so you still made much more than I did--even when including the overtime that I got paid b/c I was hourly.
You are salaried. Salaried employees' work is not limited to the standard 8-hour workday. That's all--that's it. That's my position.
Everything else--you're right!!! you are absolutely right!!! I had no argument...wasn't arguing the fact at all...and it turned into the LLP bash-fest b/c I'm not a teacher..and if I think I know so much--let's show her by pointing out errors in her posts with snide remarks. And it all started b/c I agreed with one point that one poster said that everyone so vehemently was bothered by his earlier comments before this big ol' salary debate. I guess I won't make that mistake again.
It's rediculous--it's disrespectful. It just isn't right.
. In the off years--he visits his time shares.
. I know the first two--had always wanted to be teachers in the subject that they love.
