You are correct that Norway leads in the adoption of EV vehicles. I should also point out that it's about 1/30th the size pf the US and that EV purchasers get purchase and use incentives for EV use (special lane access, free parking). They did a significant amount of work and preparation to make the economy structure EV friendly.Norway leads the world in EV adoption.
Norway is a very cold country.
Two industries are growing to handle the 20-30 year old EV batteries. One to repurpose the batteries for home battery backup and another to recycle.
An EV battery is engineered to last 20-30 years. Beyond the life of the rest of the car.
Public DCFC does not need to be as ubiquitous as gas stations.You are correct that Norway leads in the adoption of EV vehicles. I should also point out that it's about 1/30th the size pf the US and that EV purchasers get purchase and use incentives for EV use (special lane access, free parking). They did a significant amount of work and preparation to make the economy structure EV friendly.
I'm not sure the same is applicable in the US in the near term. It would take massive infrastructure changes to make EV charging support as ubiquitous as gas stations. Most stations could easily supply fuel to 10 cars at a time. To fast charge 10 EV vehicles might take as much as a Megawatt or more of power. Not a simply change in an area already built up.
I suspect in the use case of the USA EV's will be part of the solution but not the entire solution.
"The Department of Energy (DOE)’s Vehicle Technologies Office highlights in its latest weekly report - based on the U.S. Census Bureau's Annual Housing Survey - that as of 2021, two-thirds of US housing units* had a garage or carport.Public DCFC does not need to be as ubiquitous as gas stations.
I only ever use public charging when on a trip that is more than 250 miles round trip from home. Two to four of those trips a year. Two to four visits a year to a public DCFC station, the equivalent of a gas station.
Every EV driver who can plug in at home, even if just a 120v outlet, has an EV gas station at their home. Most peoples driving patterns easily allow for the slow speed of level 1 charging on a 120v outlet.
You don’t need a one to one replacement of gas dispensers to DCFC dispensers due to home charging.
I have charged two EV without issue on a single 30 amp 240v circuit which results in 24 amp or 5760 watts of charging power. I could have had a 60 amp circuit run at a much higher cost than what it cost to extend an existing circuit but in 2 years have never wished I spent the extra money.
Sure a solution needs to be found for those without home charging but people way smarter than me are coming up with solutions. For the millions of single family homes in America with access to an outlet, the infrastructure is already there.
You only have 2 to 4 trips of 250 miles a year? Good grief, we average 2-4 a month during soccer season alone.Public DCFC does not need to be as ubiquitous as gas stations.
I only ever use public charging when on a trip that is more than 250 miles round trip from home. Two to four of those trips a year. Two to four visits a year to a public DCFC station, the equivalent of a gas station.
Every EV driver who can plug in at home, even if just a 120v outlet, has an EV gas station at their home. Most peoples driving patterns easily allow for the slow speed of level 1 charging on a 120v outlet.
You don’t need a one to one replacement of gas dispensers to DCFC dispensers due to home charging.
I have charged two EV without issue on a single 30 amp 240v circuit which results in 24 amp or 5760 watts of charging power. I could have had a 60 amp circuit run at a much higher cost than what it cost to extend an existing circuit but in 2 years have never wished I spent the extra money.
Sure a solution needs to be found for those without home charging but people way smarter than me are coming up with solutions. For the millions of single family homes in America with access to an outlet, the infrastructure is already there.
This actually explains a lot to me. I’ve lived in the NY, NJ, PA area my whole life and the idea that “most people” can charge at home didn’t seem right. But assuming that 53% in my area have a garage or carport, I guess “most” probably can if you consider slightly more than most as above 50%. It certainly isn’t a huge majority though."The Department of Energy (DOE)’s Vehicle Technologies Office highlights in its latest weekly report - based on the U.S. Census Bureau's Annual Housing Survey - that as of 2021, two-thirds of US housing units* had a garage or carport.
That's not bad, although we must remember that it's a national average, which varies noticeably between the regions.
* A housing unit is defined as a house, apartment, group of rooms, or single room occupied or intended for occupancy as separate living quarters but does not include cooperatives or condominiums.
According to the data, the best situation is in the Pacific region (Alaska, California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington), where the share is 80%.
The most challenging situation is in the Middle Atlantic region (New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania) as the share is only 53%."
https://insideevs.com/news/627379/us-share-housing-units-garage-carport/#:~:text=According to the data, the,the share is only 53%.
"And believe it or not, about 27% of people in the U.S. live in a condo or HOA property."
So if you have 100 people, 27 live in a condo/HOA and of the remaining 73, 48 have a garage or carport. So, 52 people out of 100 cannot charge at home.
Worse, the stats are terrible for Mid-Atlantic and New England states, where it's too cold to charge 3-6 months of the year and there is literally no space left to install enough places for charging at the sheer population densities there.
So, this is not a small problem. It's still an enormous one.
EVs may or may not ever become a national solution. More likely is they remain a regional one.
The 53% excludes all condo and HOA folks - for Mid-Atlantic, out of every 100 people, 27 condo/HOA, then 53% of the 73 left is 38 folks could have EVs charged at home...so, you were right - only the minority could.You only have 2 to 4 trips of 250 miles a year? Good grief, we average 2-4 a month during soccer season alone.
This actually explains a lot to me. I’ve lived in the NY, NJ, PA area my whole life and the idea that “most people” can charge at home didn’t seem right. But assuming that 53% in my area have a garage or carport, I guess “most” probably can if you consider slightly more than most as above 50%. It certainly isn’t a huge majority though.
Too cold to charge for 3-6 months out of the year? That is not accurate at all.Worse, the stats are terrible for Mid-Atlantic and New England states, where it's too cold to charge 3-6 months of the year and there is literally no space left to install enough places for charging at the sheer population densities there.
So, this is not a small problem. It's still an enormous one.
EVs may or may not ever become a national solution. More likely is they remain a regional one.
I could not find any stats of the average length and number of road trips taken per year by person but only 0.8% of daily trips exceed 100 miles or more and only 0.1% of trips exceed 250 miles.You only have 2 to 4 trips of 250 miles a year? Good grief, we average 2-4 a month during soccer season alone.
Why would all condo and HOA residents excluded? I've lived in 3 different properties with an HOA that had 2 car garages. Our current house on 1/2 acre is technically in an HOA (it's $60/year and doesn't do anything besides maintain some common areas).The 53% excludes all condo and HOA folks - for Mid-Atlantic, out of every 100 people, 27 condo/HOA, then 53% of the 73 left is 38 folks could have EVs charged at home...so, you were right - only the minority could.
Living in a condo or HOA does not mean they can’t have a home charger. Many condos have garages. HOAs can include large developments of single family homes with attached garagesAnd believe it or not, about 27% of people in the U.S. live in a condo or HOA property."
So if you have 100 people, 27 live in a condo/HOA
I have a non-Tesla EV and love it. I agree that it fits best here in the US with residents who have access to home charging. I have no problem with the occasional road trip in it. It takes an adjustment as it requires more time on the road trip, more than offset in my case by never having to visit a gas station, it requires some planning as there is not yet fully developed charging infrastructure. I have more than enough range in the upper 200s for my too frequent trips to the city, running errands there, and back. Change is not a four letter word. EVs aren’t for everyone, but they would suit far more people than realize it.We have teslas and love them, but you definitely need a home charging solution. I can't imagine having to use superchargers or public chargers all the time. Part of the benefit of going electric is never having to go to a gas station again in the heat, rain, snow, etc. Having to sit at a charger reduces that benefit heavily
Aren't ICE vehicles married to a single source of power as well? I'm not seeing this as a distinction.
You can generate electricity at home via solar panels or other methods. If you spring for a battery backup, you can even go off grid. There is no option like that with ICE so I see a BEV as less constrained.
A family of 5 would fit nicely in a Tesla Model Y or an X.Now with their soon to be family of 5, they will outgrow the ID4, and the only EV option is a Rivian that costs twice what the ID4 cost.
That's inaccurate at best.Worse, the stats are terrible for Mid-Atlantic and New England states, where it's too cold to charge 3-6 months of the year.
There is also the KIA EV9, Mercedes EQB or EQS and the soon to be released VM ID Buzz.A family of 5 would fit nicely in a Tesla Model Y or an X.
Two industries are growing to handle the 20-30 year old EV batteries. One to repurpose the batteries for home battery backup and another to recycle.
An EV battery is engineered to last 20-30 years. Beyond the life of the rest of the car.