Poly Tower decision and RIV restrictions

Riviera is going to look better and better when people post about the Polynesian capacity issues caused by the tower addition.
With the restaurants and pools they currently have, I’m not sure if the infrastructure can handle it especially from a transportation standpoint. The lines for the monorail to MK will worsen although at least you can walk to TTC. I’m definitely going to try it out first before buying now that it’s same association. The overflow from the lava pool (pun intended) will fill up the quiet pool at the tower. Will also have to see if they bring the bungalow point charts back down which could make things tempting to add on specifically at PVB but otherwise it might be cabungalow SAP time.
 
With the restaurants and pools they currently have, I’m not sure if the infrastructure can handle it especially from a transportation standpoint. The lines for the monorail to MK will worsen although at least you can walk to TTC. I’m definitely going to try it out first before buying now that it’s same association. The overflow from the lava pool (pun intended) will fill up the quiet pool at the tower. Will also have to see if they bring the bungalow point charts back down which could make things tempting to add on specifically at PVB but otherwise it might be cabungalow SAP time.
The New tower will have a new pool ; Restaurant and they could also add another train to the monorail.
 
The New tower will have a new pool ; Restaurant and they could also add another train to the monorail.

It will but it will not be a feature pool with a slide. So, that is going to impact the Lava pool for those with kids.

It will be interesting to see how they deal with transportation.
 
Our family loves RIV and does not regret buying there at all. And what happens at other resorts doesn’t impact my feeling about Riviera or our decision to purchase multiple direct contracts there.

What does affect me, is that in part our decision to purchase direct Riviera was the messaging, which was very clearly delivered to us at multiple points, that all new buildings would have restrictions, so to be eligible to stay at any new buildings one would need direct points.

This doesn’t have to do with something happening at another resort that makes me upset about purchasing RIV. This has to do with the integrity of the company regarding their honest communication about their product with customers. If I received errant messaging about any product I was deciding to purchase, from food at the grocery store to a car, to a timeshare, I would expect honest representation of the product and answers to my questions. If a food or car I purchase subsequently is found to have a problem, I appreciate that the companies have the integrity to contact me with a recall notice.

In the same regard, if DVC finds that the restrictions are not working for whatever reason, and decides not to impose them on new DVC buildings, as they had said while marketing Riviera, then they should have the integrity to concurrently announce that all restrictions would be eliminated. In essence, recalling restrictions as the product changed and was different than it was originally marketed.

I absolutely understand that the restrictions business model maybe just didn’t work they way they had anticipated, or changing their minds on it. And I have no problem with the initial sales messaging, if they sincerely believed the restriction model was the way the company needed to go to be successful. But if they now change their minds, and sell PVB2, which is a new building with new amenities and all room types, without restrictions, then in order not to completely contradict their initial sales messaging to customers, they must at the same time as declaring a new building with out restrictions, rescind restrictions from resorts who were marketed as that being the new standard.

Not doing so to me, demonstrates a great compromise in business ethics and integrity of the company, and that is the only area in where my disappointment would lie. Not at all in Riviera itself or even the initial trial of restrictions.
 
I own both direct and resale at RIV and couldn't be happier. Oh, no, I have to stay at Riviera? Does not bother me in the slightest.
So, um, since you couldn’t be any happier, you must be quite pleased with the resale restrictions as well, right?
 
So, um, since you couldn’t be any happier, you must be quite pleased with the resale restrictions as well, right?

I can answer this for me. I am indifferent to them. If they go away, great, my resale points are now good other places.

If they stay, and are added elsewhere, no big deal because I bought my resale points to use at RIV and I own enough points elsewhere to stay other places when I want…

However, if they are going to be sometimes put in play and sometimes not, then I buy more resale RiV when I want more points and use my other points more often foe the other places.
 
Riviera is going to look better and better when people post about the Polynesian capacity issues caused by the tower addition.
Doesn’t Riviera already have its own capacity issues? I book Jersey Week (November 2024) and looks like Tower and Standard Studios are already unavailable. 😂
 
I can answer this for me. I am indifferent to them. If they go away, great, my resale points are now good other places.

If they stay, and are added elsewhere, no big deal because I bought my resale points to use at RIV and I own enough points elsewhere to stay other places when I want…

However, if they are going to be sometimes put in play and sometimes not, then I buy more resale RiV when I want more points and use my other points more often foe the other places.
Makes total sense, but I’ve been considering buying Riviera, and the position in which they’ve put this resort, and this resort only (at WDW), complicates the decision tremendously. I’ve never sold a DVC contract, and don’t have any immediate plans too, but if it stays mired in a failed strategy from which even Disney appears to be moving on, there’s an unsettling uncertainty about owning there. For me this is frustrating!
 
Makes total sense, but I’ve been considering buying Riviera, and the position in which they’ve put this resort, and this resort only (at WDW), complicates the decision tremendously. I’ve never sold a DVC contract, and don’t have any immediate plans too, but if it stays mired in a failed strategy from which even Disney appears to be moving on, there’s an unsettling uncertainty about owning there. For me this is frustrating!

I admit that I would hesitate to buy direct RIV right now given this back and forth. And I have been a big fan of the benefit of direct because resale will lock you out of future resort

I know that some say because it was located at Poly that it doesn’t count..technically, maybe..but only because DVD choose to say it going to be part of PVB. Contracts are clear…future phases or additional rooms are not guaranteed.

They do seem to be all over the place and this new trust association filed adds lots to talk about.

But, hey, they have moved us off the whole will it or won’t it be PVB discussion! Lol
 
Makes total sense, but I’ve been considering buying Riviera, and the position in which they’ve put this resort, and this resort only (at WDW), complicates the decision tremendously. I’ve never sold a DVC contract, and don’t have any immediate plans too, but if it stays mired in a failed strategy from which even Disney appears to be moving on, there’s an unsettling uncertainty about owning there. For me this is frustrating!
I totally agree. When I bought my Riviera contracts, it was with the understanding that future resort offerings would also have similar restrictions. That doesn't appear to be the case in reality. I definitely wouldn't be buying a Riviera contract right now. Although truth be told, until we learn more about the potential Trust, I wouldn't be buying any contract, directly or resale.
 
I admit that I would hesitate to buy direct RIV right now given this back and forth. And I have been a big fan of the benefit of direct because resale will lock you out of future resort

I know that some say because it was located at Poly that it doesn’t count..technically, maybe..but only because DVD choose to say it going to be part of PVB. Contracts are clear…future phases or additional rooms are not guaranteed.

They do seem to be all over the place and this new trust association filed adds lots to talk about.

But, hey, they have moved us off the whole will it or won’t it be PVB discussion! Lol
Yes they did! Always fun to have a new debate!
 
True, but the fact remains that without any restrictions, you'd have people like me (and I do have plenty of direct points) who would gladly buy a few hundred 2042 points at $50 per point (or less) and use the living heck out of them at new resort XYZ, and would never buy any of those new resort points. Disney definitely doesn't care who books the rooms, but I'm guessing they might care if existing owners buy up tons of dirt cheap resale points to use at those new resorts and never buy a single new point from Disney. The add-on tool would have zero value in a non-restricted world. You only have FOMO if there's something to actually miss out on.

I'm not buying the idea that new every new member Disney sells points to will continue to be a clueless rube, unaware that the restrictions carry certain negatives, and won't be aware of and consider the resale market, and I'm not willing to dismiss the idea that DVC sells a not-so-insignificant number of points as add-ons to existing members (who most definitely will be aware that they can use their super cheap resale points over spending 5 times more for direct points at a new resort if unrestricted).
That's a really good point I haven't thought of...
 
Am I supposed to believe all of this has been legal and the board members did not act on “ insider knowledge “ before they released a trust rumor .
Would have been nice to stock up on cheap resale points in advance .
What is this thing of a trust? i haven't heard that....
 
So, um, since you couldn’t be any happier, you must be quite pleased with the resale restrictions as well, right?
I don’t think any member in general is pleased about resale restrictions whether you own at RIV or not. You’re just less affected if you don’t own at RIV/VDH but you are affected in some form. The question should be do the resale restrictions make you upset you own RIV, to which I would say no because I still want access to an Epcot area resort until 2070.
 
Doesn’t Riviera already have its own capacity issues? I book Jersey Week (November 2024) and looks like Tower and Standard Studios are already unavailable. 😂
Booking issues are to be expected with every DVC association.

What I am talking about by capacity is Polynesian resort property overall. People do not seem to understand, once tower opens the Polynesian (DVC + hotel) will have a maximum occupancy just under SSR. On top of that, there are thousands of day visitors to the Polynesian resort for meals, drinks, etc. Prior to tower, there were already problems with things at Polynesian. Tower does appear to add a quick service restaurant and a quiet pool. However, this doesn't solve problems with only one feature pool (slide for kids), table service meals will have even more competition, worst of all may be transportation.

People who own at VGF have also pointing out the monorail problems caused by the tower addition because the resort monorail stops at Polynesian first. Also, at present Polynesian and VGF share buses most of the time with Polynesian being the first stop.
 
I have a question for those more knowledgeable in other timeshares. Let’s say Riviera retains its ding ding resale restrictions. Could they make future DVC (the one coming who knows when with the trust) like other timeshares out there that have an upcharge to book at other resorts? Like trading that use year into another “resort week” for a fee? I know RCI does this. I may just have a dedicated week from them, inherited from my dad, which he bought as a resale (don‘t ask why). Everything has a flipping fee with RCI, but It is very much part of their program. I guess the better question is….are there programs out there that don’t allow this fee based trade?

Selling RCI is like ridding oneself of an albatross, as their offerings are so wide, everything has a flipping fee, and frankly…..not many buy one resale (unless you were my dad). I can very much see DVC retaining more resale value in dedicated contracts with this feature though. There are less resorts, one desired vacation destination (for the most part), and buyers definitely could want a dedicated home resort with a trade fee feature

Can anyone tell I’m still mulling over that 10 day window to cancel my recent contract just a little?
 

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