Covid And The Rest of Us

[Pea-n-Me]

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-g...ccidentally-given-vaccine-overdose/a-56077717
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They must’ve drawn up the whole vial instead of dividing it into several doses.

 

[disneyholic family]

I had not heard of that yet. Glad to hear it doesn't appear to have resulted in serious reactions yet at least.

we had one incident....a pharmacist also was given an overdose by mistake - also 5 doses instead of one..
no excuse for it happening, but he was fine afterwards..
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[disneyholic family]

They must’ve drawn up the whole vial instead of dividing it into several doses.

exactly,,,
and i believe, you're supposed to add saline to the vial and then you have five doses..
so i suppose if you don't add the saline, the five concentrated doses look like one dose..

 

[BadPinkTink]

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/first-covid-vaccine-to-be-given-in-republic-today-1056614.html
Half of the doses which arrived in Ireland on December 26 have been held back to ensure there are sufficient quantities to administer the second dose.

 

[NFLDERS]

But the reasoning would have been the same no? Because from what you said nobody considers the long-term effects. Going to a theme park is always risky according to many naysayers for the parks being open, same with dining out. So if you're choosing to engage in those activities according to your comments it's because you're focused on the survival rate.

Most of the survival talk I see is only here on the DIS. IRL it's much more simply the mental toll to stay constantly aware. Your body is only designed to stay in a constant state of fear and hyperawareness for so long. I know a few here and there IRL who do spout the survival rate but those people were extreme in their thinking long before this pandemic was a thing (that's NOT meant to be representative of those here on the DIS who have discussed the survival rate just simply the few I know).

So many more are just simply tired. I'm still a lot more aware than my husband but between concern over his power plant contract not being signed, to then being signed, to then dealing with people from 3 different countries plus the pressures of getting things done his COVID protocols dropped a bit and he's had a constant battle with wanting to see his family. He still washes his hands just like I do but he doesn't use hand sanitizer as much as I do but I in turn don't use hand sanitizer quite as much as I used to. We are both excellent about masks in public though, that is something that while we don't like it it has become second nature though we'll both be happy when we are given the all clear to not wear them whenever that day comes.

But given that you're in a different country where you had much more strict restrictions perhaps in your neck of the woods it's different. I just wouldn't take the DIS to be representative of everyone.

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2020/10/15/1_5147358.html

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2020/10/15/1_5147358.html

Apologies I'm unsure what you're trying to say?

 

[NFLDERS]

Iisaviolet's thread: #1,965

I have always suspected that fifteen minutes was an approximate pivotal amount of time for contagious spread. But they were just not telling us, as people would push their contact time a la I only stayed fifteen minutes! When it really was a half an hour.

I wish they wouldn't pussyfoot around with the mandates.




We have similar measures but my Christmas calls to friends and relatives revealed that we have minimal compliance here.

And the irony is that all that were following mandates around here were in the big bad city! [QUOTE/]


My reply: Sorry, something I did changed the normal quote/reply. It started with multiple quotes one being mailboxes.

Unfortunately, my brothers their wives my dh and I during a duo visit had our first uncomfortable mandate post Christmas/pre New Year's discussion. Older brother is in Hamilton (45 minutes from Toronto, Ontario) younger is on Vancouver Island, and we are in Niagara Falls, Ontario area.

Older brother and his family got together with their children's family despite our Ontario mandate to celebrate Christmas with our household only. Their point of view was not all together, they went to each of their two children's homes during Christmas. Their son hosted them outside with heaters set up.

My younger brother have been following mandates as they evolve and change. However, got together for Christmas as normal even though they were advised not to spend celebrations outside their household.

Dh and I are and continue following the ever changing mandates and advice offered throughout the pandemic.

There were moments of silence totally unusual for us. Older brother and his wife got into a tiff with each other as he stated he did not want to get together, but that people do whatever they **** well please.

She ended their tiff with well, ok we won't get together for New Year's Eve then, but with a tone of AND IT WILL BE ALL YOUR FAULT!

I've told dh that I'd like to skip our next Duo virtual because it follows New Year's Day... sigh.

 

[ronandannette]

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/first-covid-vaccine-to-be-given-in-republic-today-1056614.html
Half of the doses which arrived in Ireland on December 26 have been held back to ensure there are sufficient quantities to administer the second dose.

Ontario was doing that with their initial allotment but have recently decided to use it all, as are many other provinces including Alberta. The approaches have been quite a mixed-bag as each province is responsible for their own administration of health care.
Ontario changes COVID-19 vaccination plans after slowing rollout - The Globe and Mail

 

[bcla]

They must’ve drawn up the whole vial instead of dividing it into several doses.

The instructions are fairly simple, but I guess they skipped that step.

 

[NFLDERS]

Apologies I'm unsure what you're trying to say?

I was referring to your second sentence in the Quote.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I was referring to your second sentence in the Quote.

Oh then you misunderstood the conversation

The poster had said "What about the after affects? Nobody ever thinks about that." Many people have been discussing potential long-term effects and so presently called long-haulers. That's why I said the second sentence in the quote which was "Because from what you said nobody considers the long-term effects." The other poster is the one who said "everybody is so focused on survival rate" and that nobody every thinks about the after effects. My entire comment was that many people are actually discussing and are concerned about long-term effects and those only discussing survival rate are not as many as one would assume at least IME.

 

[disneyholic family]

The instructions are fairly simple, but I guess they skipped that step.

actually, they're much more complex than regular flu vaccines.
They have to inject saline into the vial..

here are the pfizer directions for preparing a vial for use:

• Before dilution invert vaccine vial gently 10 times.
• Do not shake.
• Inspect the liquid in the vial prior to dilution. The liquid is a white to offwhite suspension and may contain white to off-white opaque amorphous particles.
• Do not use if liquid is discolored or if other particles are observed.
• Obtain sterile 0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP. Use only this as the diluent.
• Using aseptic technique, withdraw 1.8 mL of diluent into a transfer syringe (21-gauge or narrower needle).
• Cleanse the vaccine vial stopper with a single-use antiseptic swab.
• Add 1.8 mL of 0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP into the vaccine vial.
• Equalize vial pressure before removing the needle from the vial by withdrawing 1.8 mL air into the empty diluent syringe.
• Gently invert the vial containing the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine 10 times to mix.
• Do not shake.
• Inspect the vaccine in the vial.
• The vaccine will be an off-white suspension. Do not use if vaccine is discolored or contains particulate matter.
• Record the date and time of dilution on the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine vial label.
• Store between 2°C to 25°C (35°F to 77°F).
• Discard any unused vaccine 6 hours after dilution.
• Using aseptic technique, cleanse the vial stopper with a single-use antiseptic swab, and withdraw 0.3 mL of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine preferentially using a low dead-volume syringe and/or needle.
• Administer immediately.

that is NOT the standard procedure that people have to follow when administering vaccines.
Even if you're only doing the last step, withdrawing a dose, it's not the standard procedure.
usually vaccines come ready to go already in the syringe.
even just withdrawing a dose from a vial has become a lost art.

 

[bcla]

actually, they're much more complex than regular flu vaccines.
They have to inject saline into the vial..

here are the pfizer directions for preparing a vial for use:

• Before dilution invert vaccine vial gently 10 times.
• Do not shake.
• Inspect the liquid in the vial prior to dilution. The liquid is a white to offwhite suspension and may contain white to off-white opaque amorphous particles.
• Do not use if liquid is discolored or if other particles are observed.
• Obtain sterile 0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP. Use only this as the diluent.
• Using aseptic technique, withdraw 1.8 mL of diluent into a transfer syringe (21-gauge or narrower needle).
• Cleanse the vaccine vial stopper with a single-use antiseptic swab.
• Add 1.8 mL of 0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP into the vaccine vial.
• Equalize vial pressure before removing the needle from the vial by withdrawing 1.8 mL air into the empty diluent syringe.
• Gently invert the vial containing the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine 10 times to mix.
• Do not shake.
• Inspect the vaccine in the vial.
• The vaccine will be an off-white suspension. Do not use if vaccine is discolored or contains particulate matter.
• Record the date and time of dilution on the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine vial label.
• Store between 2°C to 25°C (35°F to 77°F).
• Discard any unused vaccine 6 hours after dilution.
• Using aseptic technique, cleanse the vial stopper with a single-use antiseptic swab, and withdraw 0.3 mL of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine preferentially using a low dead-volume syringe and/or needle.
• Administer immediately.

that is NOT the standard procedure that people have to follow when administering vaccines.
Even if you're only doing the last step, withdrawing a dose, it's not the standard procedure.
usually vaccines come ready to go already in the syringe.
even just withdrawing a dose from a vial has become a lost art.

I've seen the longer instructions on the CDC website. I used the PDF because it distilled that it needed to be diluted.

As for vaccines - I've been present for several of my kid's vaccinations. They were always drawn from a vial into a syringe. Now if it was from an ampoule, that might have been interesting. I understand that's a lost art - especially the part about filtering to avoid injecting little broken pieces of glass.

 

[abigail12]

I'm fed up with this virus.

 

[scottishgirl1]

It is

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/first-covid-vaccine-to-be-given-in-republic-today-1056614.html
Half of the doses which arrived in Ireland on December 26 have been held back to ensure there are sufficient quantities to administer the second dose.

It is bizarre why they are doing this, cases are rising enough for them to hold an emergency meeting tomorrow about imposing more restrictions and they are being so slow with the rollout of the only thing that will potentially help us get out of this mess. Surely it is better to give twice as many people who are in danger of contracting this in the next three weeks the approx 91% protection that one dose provides. It seems pretty unlikely that the second dose will not arrive on time and even if it does not, the level of protection lost appears to be tiny. This on top of the fact that the vaccine has been in the country for days and they did the first one at 1.30 in the afternoon. The lack of urgency is at odds with the constant reinstating of lockdowns and all the trouble that brings to people

 

[disneyholic family]

It is


It is bizarre why they are doing this, cases are rising enough for them to hold an emergency meeting tomorrow about imposing more restrictions and they are being so slow with the rollout of the only thing that will potentially help us get out of this mess. Surely it is better to give twice as many people who are in danger of contracting this in the next three weeks the approx 91% protection that one dose provides. It seems pretty unlikely that the second dose will not arrive on time and even if it does not, the level of protection lost appears to be tiny. This on top of the fact that the vaccine has been in the country for days and they did the first one at 1.30 in the afternoon. The lack of urgency is at odds with the constant reinstating of lockdowns and all the trouble that brings to people

Tony Blair has called for this - giving more people 1 dose rather than holding back vaccines for the second dose.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55410349
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[bcla]

It is


It is bizarre why they are doing this, cases are rising enough for them to hold an emergency meeting tomorrow about imposing more restrictions and they are being so slow with the rollout of the only thing that will potentially help us get out of this mess. Surely it is better to give twice as many people who are in danger of contracting this in the next three weeks the approx 91% protection that one dose provides. It seems pretty unlikely that the second dose will not arrive on time and even if it does not, the level of protection lost appears to be tiny. This on top of the fact that the vaccine has been in the country for days and they did the first one at 1.30 in the afternoon. The lack of urgency is at odds with the constant reinstating of lockdowns and all the trouble that brings to people

It doesn't make sense of course, but right now a lot of countries are holding back in reserve in order to (more or less) guarantee a second dose for those who got the first. I agree it might make more sense to just give the first dose to as many people as possible, and see what happens with the supply later.

 

[NFLDERS]

Oh then you misunderstood the conversation

The poster had said "What about the after affects? Nobody ever thinks about that." Many people have been discussing potential long-term effects and so presently called long-haulers. That's why I said the second sentence in the quote which was "Because from what you said nobody considers the long-term effects." The other poster is the one who said "everybody is so focused on survival rate" and that nobody every thinks about the after effects. My entire comment was that many people are actually discussing and are concerned about long-term effects and those only discussing survival rate are not as many as one would assume at least IME.

 

[NFLDERS]

actually, they're much more complex than regular flu vaccines.
They have to inject saline into the vial..

here are the pfizer directions for preparing a vial for use:

• Before dilution invert vaccine vial gently 10 times.
• Do not shake.
• Inspect the liquid in the vial prior to dilution. The liquid is a white to offwhite suspension and may contain white to off-white opaque amorphous particles.
• Do not use if liquid is discolored or if other particles are observed.
• Obtain sterile 0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP. Use only this as the diluent.
• Using aseptic technique, withdraw 1.8 mL of diluent into a transfer syringe (21-gauge or narrower needle).
• Cleanse the vaccine vial stopper with a single-use antiseptic swab.
• Add 1.8 mL of 0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP into the vaccine vial.
• Equalize vial pressure before removing the needle from the vial by withdrawing 1.8 mL air into the empty diluent syringe.
• Gently invert the vial containing the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine 10 times to mix.
• Do not shake.
• Inspect the vaccine in the vial.
• The vaccine will be an off-white suspension. Do not use if vaccine is discolored or contains particulate matter.
• Record the date and time of dilution on the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine vial label.
• Store between 2°C to 25°C (35°F to 77°F).
• Discard any unused vaccine 6 hours after dilution.
• Using aseptic technique, cleanse the vial stopper with a single-use antiseptic swab, and withdraw 0.3 mL of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine preferentially using a low dead-volume syringe and/or needle.
• Administer immediately.

that is NOT the standard procedure that people have to follow when administering vaccines.
Even if you're only doing the last step, withdrawing a dose, it's not the standard procedure.
usually vaccines come ready to go already in the syringe.
even just withdrawing a dose from a vial has become a lost art.

Did all this scare anyone else here!?

 

[ronandannette]

Did all this scare anyone else here!?

No - why should it? There's nothing there that seems beyond the capabilities of a qualified health-care professional and what, really, do you know about all the other routine medical procedures you receive? I'd wager the formal instructions for even very simple things would sound daunting to a layman.

I'm weary of all the pearl-clutching; these few incidents (errors and reactions) are statistically insignificant against the number of vaccinations that have now been administered. I'm sure similar things happen in many other contexts.