skier-pete, your data (just like Google), has ruined more good arguments!
Excellent data. Tells me I have likely overestimated BRV dues increase rates... I tend to assume 5% per year .
Now, what would be REALLY interesting? Something similar for Main Hotel Rack Rates . The concept being to SAVE money, not eliminate cost . ALL WDW Hotel costs have, and will continue to, inflate .
The very BEST way to save a ton of money? Don't go .
OK folks - I got tired of the lack of real data presented in this thread - so here you go.
First Table shows the dues for every resort for every year in existence. Aulani and VB had a "subsidized dues" rate that I couldn't be bothered to figure out, so I ignored it. Note this table is in dollars / point.
OK folks - I got tired of the lack of real data presented in this thread - so here you go.
First Table shows the dues for every resort for every year in existence. Aulani and VB had a "subsidized dues" rate that I couldn't be bothered to figure out, so I ignored it. Note this table is in dollars / point.
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Second table below indicates the year-over-year increase as a percentage of the previous year. The TOP row shows the average increase for that resort.
Most interesting is that the averages across the board are pretty consistent between 3.5 and 4.5%, which a few lower, and a one (BLT) higher.
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The last bit I tried was graphing the changes to see if you could see an obvious trend of increasing dues over time. Without doing some fairly rigorous statistical analysis, I would say the answer is "maybe". Clearly this last year there is a very unusual anomaly. There was a definite trend in the late nineties of dues staying steady - but since then it seems like MOST resorts stay between 3.5 and 5%, with the occasional outlier each year. (For instance 2011 saw a sharp spike in BLT an AKV dues while most of the other resorts stayed at 4 % or lower. The only comparable year seems to be 2006, where all the resorts spiked in dues and the average increase was 6.9%, whereas this year was 7.6%. Again, typically the year-over-year average increase is about 3.5-4.5%.
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Though it probably folly to try and predict the future with the past trends - but the data does show that this year is an extreme anomaly that is outside of anything that has been seen historically. Data says it is unlikely that increases of this magnitude will be the new normal.
skier-pete, your data (just like Google), has ruined more good arguments!
Thank you for that info. It really helped me fill in all the gaps to my records.
I always like to tout the resource center threads that are stickies at the top of all the DVC forums. This information is also in them Along with a little bit of other historical information.
My dues went up $376. So that's about 50 glasses of wine, while dining out, I have to forgo. That's almost ALL I order in a year. (but, yeah, if I can afford 650 points and dues for 650 points, then I can still manage a couple glasses of wine a month)Love your work @skier_pete !
Yeah, doesn't he know that the per night cost of rooms is going up by one Vente Orange Mocha Frappeccino? On top of which I still have to tip housekeeping a pool bar margarita? Serious budget blowouts, worthy of lively debate, are at stake here!
That's a good point about finding the new rate limiting cost. I think it's everything...travel, park tickets, dining AND the DVC. It all jumped in cost. I suppose we could stay DVC but skip parks to save that cost and cook in our DVC kitchens to save that cost. My family already drives to save the cost of airfare. Honestly, we wont change anything except maybe drop from 3 weeks a year to 2 and do those in 11 months with AP and then wait to buy new AP a year later. I think all vacay options have climbed in cost...cruises, all inclusives, beach rentals...etc. So might as well go where you like.$376 with 650 points? I wish we had 650 points . I envy you... just the two of us, older? 270 is plenty for 2 trips per year from MI .
Now - $375 sounds like a lot.... but that's about 58 cents per point . Just us.... we're making out like BANDITS at the WL. Having hit "break even", our nightly room cost at BRV is about $125/night, vs about $400/night, discounted, Main Hotel. Roughly 30% of WDW's best DISCOUNT prices .
In contrast? Each 9 day trip, twice per year, is now about $7000.00. Used to be about $4000.00.
What changed?
It wasn't DVC.... it was the cost of Air Travel, Dining (we hit a lot of SIGs), Pet siting, Airport Parking..... all the OTHER stuff.
Six years ago, we attacked our "rate limiting cost" - LODGING. Today? We probably have a NEW "rate limiting cost" - just have to determine what this is, then attack THAT.
...because we are going to GO ANYWAY . Until my legs fall off .
My dues went up $376. So that's about 50 glasses of wine, while dining out, I have to forgo. That's almost ALL I order in a year. (but, yeah, if I can afford 650 points and dues for 650 points, then I can still manage a couple glasses of wine a month)
Let us not forget how much the Mouse rakes in. I think my little contribution (what I've spent with the Mouse) is a tiny drop in the bucket, yet they can't pay decent wages. I'd say the low wage angst should be aimed their way. Not mine. I am in full agreement that the Mouse should pay higher wages (which would help keep better staff who would, in turn, provide better service). But the Mouse knows, down to a science, what level of service they need to provide and how much they need to pay to get that. They know we will keep coming with X level of service (and I am guessing that X level is a low level). So don't twist it to me being a monster who begrudges workers from earning a living wage.Maybe you can't afford 650 points. It seems strange to begrudge someone making $13 an hour - not really even a living wage, while you have about $100k worth of DVC points and can afford to eat out often enough to drink 50 $7 glasses of wine - at places that serve wine.
& if the FB group I follow is any indication housekeeping is raking in the (mostly likely non-declared) tips. I couldn’t believe how many people on a thread the other day were leaving serious money for housekeeping. Many have no intention of lowering the amount given the new minimum wage.Let us not forget how much the Mouse rakes in. I think my little contribution (what I've spent with the Mouse) is a tiny drop in the bucket, yet they can't pay decent wages. I'd say the low wage angst should be aimed their way. Not mine. I am in full agreement that the Mouse should pay higher wages (which would help keep better staff who would, in turn, provide better service). But the Mouse knows, down to a science, what level of service they need to provide and how much they need to pay to get that. They know we will keep coming with X level of service (and I am guessing that X level is a low level). So don't twist it to me being a monster who begrudges workers from earning a living wage.
I tip them, though probably not a large amount. I leave $10-15 (and typically we do 3-6 nights). Not sure if I will continue. I usually leave the unit tidy too (put all sheets and towels in pile, wash dishes and put away, trash collected, etc). My DS works at a front desk in a hotel, of a popular chain, and he doesn't even get paid $13/hour (and will have a degree in hospitality in May as well as having worked at this hotel for a year).& if the FB group I follow is any indication housekeeping is raking in the (mostly likely non-declared) tips. I couldn’t believe how many people on a thread the other day were leaving serious money for housekeeping. Many have no intention of lowering the amount given the new minimum wage.
We bought into DVC to save money. I definitely don’t begrudge anyone a living wage (daughter of a housecleaner & long haul trucker & worker of many field and restaurant jobs), but I have a feeling housekeeping in general is already making a decent amount in tips.
I tip them, though probably not a large amount. I leave $10-15 (and typically we do 3-6 nights). Not sure if I will continue. I usually leave the unit tidy too (put all sheets and towels in pile, wash dishes and put away, trash collected, etc). My DS works at a front desk in a hotel, of a popular chain, and he doesn't even get paid $13/hour (and will have a degree in hospitality in May as well as having worked at this hotel for a year).
& if the FB group I follow is any indication housekeeping is raking in the (mostly likely non-declared) tips. I couldn’t believe how many people on a thread the other day were leaving serious money for housekeeping. Many have no intention of lowering the amount given the new minimum wage.
We bought into DVC to save money. I definitely don’t begrudge anyone a living wage (daughter of a housecleaner & long haul trucker & worker of many field and restaurant jobs), but I have a feeling housekeeping in general is already making a decent amount in tips.
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My dues went up $376. So that's about 50 glasses of wine, while dining out, I have to forgo. That's almost ALL I order in a year. (but, yeah, if I can afford 650 points and dues for 650 points, then I can still manage a couple glasses of wine a month)
& if the FB group I follow is any indication housekeeping is raking in the (mostly likely non-declared) tips. I couldn’t believe how many people on a thread the other day were leaving serious money for housekeeping. Many have no intention of lowering the amount given the new minimum wage.
We bought into DVC to save money. I definitely don’t begrudge anyone a living wage (daughter of a housecleaner & long haul trucker & worker of many field and restaurant jobs), but I have a feeling housekeeping in general is already making a decent amount in tips.
If employees in housekeeping at Disney are now earning a "living wage," we will not continue to tip housekeeping at Disney.