Las Vegas Shooting

[nd5056]

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Whether they snap into crazy land or are just plain evil. As it stands you are more likely to be shot and killed on American soil by an American than during a terrorist attack anywhere.

This is even more truth to it since I live in Chicago. I keep wondering what is the real multiplier of this happening to me compared to some other living somewhere else in smaller cities. And I'm not talking big act like this one in Vegas. The amount of of weakly shooting we have around here...

 

[erin1715]

Making any kind of assumptions about the killer is premature.

Well the police were quick to rule out the girlfriend and ISIS

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

You have no idea that it has nothing to do with ISIS at this point. The police ruled out the girlfriend yesterday and today she’s a person of interest. And they haven’t even gone through computer equipment

And I’m not sure what you’re accusing me of with the Filipino girlfriend remark.

Not accusing you. Who cares where the girlfriend is from? American murderer. Not ISIS.

 

[erin1715]

Not accusing you. Who cares where the girlfriend is from? American murderer. Not ISIS.

Just like the police told us the girlfriend wasn’t a person of interest and today she is? So why can’t ISIS be a possibility?

 

[robinb]

I've also heard it mentioned that the home of the killer in Mesquite is only 10 minutes from Cliven Bundy's ranch in Bunkerville. So there is another option other than ISIS.

I'm not sure if that had already been covered.

 

[amberpi]

This is even more truth to it since I live in Chicago. I keep wondering what is the real multiplier of this happening to me compared to some other living somewhere else in smaller cities. And I'm not talking big act like this one in Vegas. The amount of of weakly shooting we have around here...

There's also the very real threat that any act of violence committed against someone of my demographics is going be by a "loved one" vs. any stranger/mass shooting/terrorist act.

I think everyone is just looking for any kind of reason in such a tragic and incomprehensible act. We all search for a narrative we can accept even to a tiny fraction of a percent in order to cope.

 

[Domo]

Basic statistics re. firearms here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604

 

[LYSE]

The maths is rather simple: less guns = less gun crime. The trick is to UNIVERSALLY control firearms. One of the arguments I hear a lot is if we remove firearms from the general populace, only criminals will have them. What we need to focus on is ensuring that criminals don't have access to firearms either - as I said, the Met has quite rightly declared, "If you try to smuggle firearms into our country, you will get caught".

America is on the other end of the spectrum. Firearms are EVERYWHERE. Owning a gun is as normal to most as owning a car. And we again see an example of the link - more guns, more gun related injuries, be it intentional or accidental.

As I posted earlier: https://www.researchgate.net/public...Rates_A_Methodological_Review_of_the_Evidence

No there really is no real correlation between privately held firearms and crime

Also firearm accidents are at an all time low: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/g...at-new-low-0.3-of-all-in-2015/article/2617930

Lastly keep in mind that most stats showing firearms deaths include police use of force as well as self defense cases and suicides

 

[LYSE]

I guess I'm being shallow. All I can see is a HUGE rate of gun related homicide in the US compared to the UK.

There is an easy solution: ban them in the US. If we see more gun deaths the ban can be reversed

It's because your obsessed with the tool used because it's scary, many countries that banned them did not see a drop in crime (drop in the tool being used, sure)

Lastly, the problem with banning them here is we have a constitutional right which is quite unique, to put it simply we are citizens not Subjects.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

It's because your obsessed with the tool used because it's scary, many countries that banned them did not see a drop in crime (drop in the tool being used, sure)

Lastly, the problem with banning them here is we have a constitutional right which is quite unique, to put it simply we are citizens not Subjects.

Define subjects? You know Australia, UK and Canada are not subjects I hope?

 

[Domo]

It's because your obsessed with the tool used because it's scary, btw also like I posted earlier many countries that banned them did not see a drop in crime (drop in the tool being used, sure)

Lastly, the problem with banning them here is we have a constitutional right which is quite unique, to put it simply we are citizens not Subjects.

As I said, my evidence is prima facie. The USA has more guns per person than pretty much ANYWHERE on the globe and amazingly has a tragedy every year - Orlando last year, Sandy Hook the year before...

And conversely Europe has very few guns and very few gun deaths and maulings.

Why so psychotically aligned to an amendment, an afterthought? Things can and MUST be changed for the good.

 

[nd5056]

There's also the very real threat that any act of violence committed against someone of my demographics is going be by a "loved one" vs. any stranger/mass shooting/terrorist act.

I think everyone is just looking for any kind of reason in such a tragic and incomprehensible act. We all search for a narrative we can accept even to a tiny fraction of a percent in order to cope.

I think that hose unfortunate events are here to stay, regardless if involving terrorist or radicals, large or small scale.

Looking at this guy, there's no way you could prevent this from happening. If you take away the guns, they'll use a truck. You take the truck away, they'll grab a knife. As someone once said, if there's a will, there will be a way.

As I mentioned before, the World is fine, it's the people that are broken. And you can't prevent it all and foresee it coming.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

The maths is rather simple: less guns = less gun crime. The trick is to UNIVERSALLY control firearms. One of the arguments I hear a lot is if we remove firearms from the general populace, only criminals will have them. What we need to focus on is ensuring that criminals don't have access to firearms either - as I said, the Met has quite rightly declared, "If you try to smuggle firearms into our country, you will get caught".

America is on the other end of the spectrum. Firearms are EVERYWHERE. Owning a gun is as normal to most as owning a car. And we again see an example of the link - more guns, more gun related injuries, be it intentional or accidental.

I doubt anyone would argue the point that there are MORE guns in America than there were 20 years ago. And yet our homicide rate is half what it was then.

At one time, guns were easier to obtain in London than in NYC. Yet, even then, the homicide rate was much higher in NYC than London.

On another note, people in the U.K. drink more than Americans, yet there's very little in the way of a drunk driving problem.

Math can get pretty fuzzy if you don't use the pepper parameters.

 

[Domo]

I doubt anyone would argue the point that there are MORE guns in America than there were 20 years ago. And yet our homicide rate is half what it was then.

At one time, guns were easier to obtain in London than in NYC. Yet, even then, the homicide rate was much higher in NYC than London.

On another note, people in the U.K. drink more than Americans, yet there's very little in the way of a drunk driving problem.

Math can get pretty fuzzy if you don't use the pepper parameters.

On the issue of drink, it's quite a problem over here, especially with football louts. You guys in the US are far better behaved! Drink is the UK's sorrow

 

[Gumbo4x4]

And most of the guns that go into Canada come illegally, smuggled in from the US.

Uh, no. 22% of all Canadian households have at least one LEGAL firearm owner.

 

[JaxDad]

Domo, I think you are out of line for these boards. I understand your passion but take it elsewhere!

 

[ELKA]

It's because your obsessed with the tool used because it's scary, btw also like I posted earlier many countries that banned them did not see a drop in crime (drop in the tool being used, sure)

Lastly, the problem with banning them here is we have a constitutional right which is quite unique, to put it simply we are citizens not Subjects.

The tool used as you say, can be used to hurt more than 1 person at a time. Like bombs a gun can kill more than 1 person. We ban people from owning bombs not always successful in keeping them from being made, but you hear about bomb deaths less than gun deaths. Yes, a person who is going to kill will kill, but if they only have a knife they are not going to be able to kill more people if the person being stabbed fights and others get away. Look up a man named Nir Barkat, he is the mayor of Jerusalem. There was a stabbing that happened in front of him and the man being stabbed fought the assailant and yelled to the people around him to get away. The man who was stabbed lived and the assailant was arrested, I think by the mayor and his security guards.

 

[Domo]

Domo, I think you are out of line for these boards. I understand your passion but take it elsewhere!

Let it never be said I don't take tips. I'll tone it down

 

[longboard55]

can we all agree that automatic weapons and devises that make them automatic need to be banned. I think a lot of us would like to see SOMETHING done for ONCE. People talk about bombs, after mcvay the government spent billions on protecting federal buildings from cars. After sandyhook, el zippo

 

[HarperLeigh]

In addition it sounds like they just gathered computer equipment and hard drives so I think ruling out a foreign connection is premature

I think assuming a foreign connection is premature. Gathering computer information is standard in pretty much any investigation.