WDW and DL Pirates to change Redhead scene

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Disney sneakily announces changes to Pirates of the Caribbean at WDW and DLR in a Disneyland Paris blog post

First of all, no. This news source is the only one describing it as "sneaky". It is a trending topic on social media, and has coverage from many news sources. As far as the initial announcement, doesn't Disney routinely announce things on blogs?

Second of all, all this:

If we really want to be politically correct I feel pirates would be shut down altogether.

So if you are going to sanitize the ride to make it PC might as well just close down the ride.

I just think there is so much that could be considered politically incorrect that is removing this one piece going to solve those problems? I don't think so.

One part of this that troubles me is that so much has to be changed nowadays because someone is offended.

Holy macaroni, I didn't know this was such a heated topic! It's a scene in a ride.. I don't understand the huge uproar about it right now. I mean, haunted houses show murder and things that are MUCH worse than that scene. I understand why they're changing it, but I don't get the hatred for the scene. I mean, the haunted mansion has someone dangling from the ceiling and there's no uproar about that. It's an amusement park. It's fantasty. Just my two cents.

So sick of all the politically correct nonsense. It's a damn ride. No one took it seriously. We can't even laugh at stupid/silly things anymore without a few getting insulted or protesting against it. Why do a few complainers ruin it for the rest of us??????

So will Disney take out the "wicked stepmother" out of Cinderella because stepmothers might get insulted? The political correctness has gone out of control. Don't go see it, watch it, if you are offended. Why ruin it for the rest of us, who know it's "not real" and just a ride, movie, show etc.

What about Gaston's Tavern? He's definitely a misogynist. Are we really going to get rid of everything in the park that's considered remotely offensive? There goes Splash Mountain, and apparently Tiki Room, because it's supposedly racist:rolleyes:

At the end of the day I don't really care much if they change the scene, but the consent push to whitewash history and art is counterproductive to progress/understanding in many ways.

This is obviously to take out an "offensive" scene. Sure, Sure this is obviously PC .. and I'm okay with it.

I'm... not happy about this change. I get that Human Trafficking is bad. I don't think most sane and rational humans wouldn't get that. But... the world has become entirely too politically correct for its own good. There are better ways to address the issue than "cleaning up" a 50 year old themepark ride.

Ridiculous, the hippy tree huggers are at it again. If everything that offends a person is taken out, Disney World will be vastly different in 10 years. They are going to have to change almost every attraction in the Magic Kingdom.

People have to stop being so P.C. Jesus Holy Christ.

Political correctness belongs in the real world, it has no place rearing it's ugly head in any theme park ride.

I honestly don't care if anyone is offended by the redhead scene or the well dunking scene or the rum-soaked pirate scene. If they're that fragile that they're offended by a theme park ride, this is the least of their concerns.

This ride has been around for 50 years. Why are people all of a sudden just now deciding they're offended? Is it because of the latest PC craze?

I am not amused but such is life in this generation of oversensitive self-victimization. Pathetic, actually.

To be honest if the roles were reversed and males were being sold. Would people have a problem with it? Heck no, that's because most men and even some women don't take things too seriously.

Did you all read the blog post? If not, and you'd like to, find it here:
https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/b...of-the-caribbean-at-disneyland-paris-july-24/

They are tweaking the ride. They have been tweaking the ride for a while now. Personally I didn't love the addition of the movie franchise into it, but it's their ride to do with as they will. The underlying point here being, where are you pulling these reactions from? Certainly not from the official news release. Yes, some other coverage is putting a "political correctness spin on it", but some news sources are prone to sharing opinion instead of straight fact- same as we have going on here. The actual source material, as linked above, makes no mention of this being altered in corrective action- they note it as an improvement in their eyes. Which we are free to dislike or like.

They have already made too many changes to a classic. And IMO the best ride at Disneyland.

This is probably the most underlying sentiment most who are upset about the change identify with. That's just not how the world works though.

As far as all the other "extra" commentary above- it is impossible for them to make the Disney franchise PC, if that was their aim. They'd have to shut down their parks, shed most of the merchandise and films, and start over. Then in another twenty years do the same. Society is fluid, social norms, societal standards, ideas of fairness- are all fluid, and that is not a feasible achievement. Fortunately for all of us that like Disney, that is not their aim. So why insult people?

As others have noted:

Wait, was there some sort of campaign against this scene and I missed it?

People keep talking about the PC police and how "a few" complainers are messing up the ride, or asking why other rides are not a problem...but I haven't seen a single piece of evidence that this change is being made due to public outcry.

Where was the public outcry for this change? I saw no petitions, no protests, no demonstrations. DISNEY decided to make this change, no one else.

Again, I (nor anyone I'm aware of) didn't call for the removal. It was something Disney decided to do..."

The idea of turning the redhead into a main character makes a lot more sense than just randomly getting rid of the scene for sake of PC (which I have not heard any real complaints about) ..."

Ok so everyone is assuming this is because of "PC police". Do people not realized that hey Disney is deciding to make an old ride fresh by changing a few scenes?

If there has been public outcry, it was certainly not as publicized or protested as this change is.

Disney is probably catering more to this end:

I'm choosing to look at it instead of as politically correctness forcing the change but a different view on historical events with a female pirates finally being represented. As others have mentioned there were some horrible female pirates that gave the men a run for their money.

I think adding an awesome female pirate does add to the ride. I love this scene, I love pirates...but I had questions with it as a child, and that was long ago, and I think it needs replacing. Its not a political statement, its just keeping up with the times.

They're trying to grow a modern audience. They want to appeal to the widest audience possible. Fact of the matter is, most people don't know jack squat about real piracy or its history. Most people won't even notice the change. There are people on this thread on a disney fansite that never noticed the exact details of the scene. It's marketing.
 
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Until I'm dead every voyage through the spot where the bride auction BELONGS I vow to be chanting "We wants the redhead! We wants the redhead!"

I am not amused but such is life in this generation of oversensitive self-victimization. Pathetic, actually.

I don't care what people are chanting - if its loud enough to divert someone else's attention from the ride - don't. I'm sure you're being hyperbolic, but good lord!, the number of people who don't give a rat's behind about other people's experience at WDW really gets under my skin! (Probably not really aimed at you - just grr'ing at the idea. #endrant
 
Is there an update on the timeline for this refurb? I'll be in WDW early May and hope the ride it open!
 
To be honest if the roles were reversed and males were being sold. Would people have a problem with it? Heck no, that's because most men and even some women don't take things too seriously.

Yo ho there matey. "Most men and even some women don't take things too seriously"

Why not, most people?

Also, as mentioned in my other post- there was no "problem" that caused this change. It has nothing to do with who is being sold to whom or for what purpose. There are people who are relieved for the change and those who are sad or angry for it.

Why not focus instead on the fact that there will finally be a female pirate- even if it is just one?
 
I wish they would keep the "We wants the redhead" scene. But towards the end of the ride, they could include the red headed woman as a pirate (with the other women behind her as pirates), and a man could say, "Look out!! It's that scurvy redhead!" or something along those lines.
 
Yo ho there matey. "Most men and even some women don't take things too seriously"

Why not, most people?

Also, as mentioned in my other post- there was no "problem" that caused this change. It has nothing to do with who is being sold to whom or for what purpose. There are people who are relieved for the change and those who are sad or angry for it.

Why not focus instead on the fact that there will finally be a female pirate- even if it is just one?

It's not most people because females are usually the more emotional sex. Unless we're talking about sporting events. It's not a knock against females, it is just the truth. And there is nothing wrong with some of them being emotional.

I'm alright with them adding female pirates into the attraction. What I'm not alright with is them completely changing a classic scene. Like I said they can also auction men, that wouldn't completely change the scene. It just changes the looks and sex of the characters.
 
Change is good folks! The plans look great! They may even keep "shift your cargo" though she now will be displaying jewels and such for sale rather than herself. Also, don't give up on the "we wants the redhead" being shouted out from some random pirates that still are infatuated with the redhead!
 
Yes I did. I'm entitled to my opinion and your entitled to yours. I'm not a big fan of the change but it is what it is.
Totally understand. Just didn't get where the PC and offense-motivated change factor came from. :)
 
It's not most people because females are usually the more emotional sex. Unless we're talking about sporting events. It's not a knock against females, it is just the truth. And there is nothing wrong with some of them being emotional.

I'm alright with them adding female pirates into the attraction. What I'm not alright with is them completely changing a classic scene. Like I said they can also auction men, that wouldn't completely change the scene. It just changes the looks and sex of the characters.

My dude... this is extremely sexist.
 
Hardy har, I'm not a sexist. There is nothing wrong with being emotional. You may look at the opposite side of the spectrum and say Males aren't emotional enough.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...inds-women-far-affected-emotional-images.html

We're getting off topic so I'll leave it at this: as a woman I don't appreciate being referred to as a "female". I am a female human, a.k.a. a woman. I don't speak for all women but I can tell you every woman I am friends with feels the same.

Just a pro tip.

To get back on topic, I'm glad Disney is keeping with Walt's vision of an ever-changing, constantly growing and improving theme park. This scene has to go. It's also fatphobic, in my opinion. Glad to see what they come up with to improve this great classic ride.
 
We're getting off topic so I'll leave it at this: as a woman I don't appreciate being referred to as a "female". I am a female human, a.k.a. a woman. I don't speak for all women but I can tell you every woman I am friends with feels the same.

Just a pro tip.

To get back on topic, I'm glad Disney is keeping with Walt's vision of an ever-changing, constantly growing and improving theme park. This scene has to go. It's also fatphobic, in my opinion. Glad to see what they come up with to improve this great classic ride.

You can believe what you want to.

I do agree that Disney is ever changing, but that doesn't mean they should forget about the past. Everything doesn't have to be completely changed for today's audience. The bones of the scene should stay in place.

I'm alright with getting rid of the "Do you sell her by the pound?" comment because that doesn't change the scene. But changing the whole story for this section seems to be a step too far.
 
I think we all know who's to blame here...
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We're getting off topic so I'll leave it at this: as a woman I don't appreciate being referred to as a "female". I am a female human, a.k.a. a woman. I don't speak for all women but I can tell you every woman I am friends with feels the same.

Just a pro tip.

To get back on topic, I'm glad Disney is keeping with Walt's vision of an ever-changing, constantly growing and improving theme park. This scene has to go. It's also fatphobic, in my opinion. Glad to see what they come up with to improve this great classic ride.
Not that I'm really engaged or invested in this topic but personally speaking none of my friends nor myself care one way or another if you refer to us as females or women-in other words it's not an insult to us. The bigger part to me is context and tone of which those can be an insult depending on the situation (and yes I get how the poster's comments can be seen as insulting but I'm not about to get into that discussion with them).

So I totally get your opinion and respect that but I'm not sure that's a "pro-tip" so much as your preference. I'm not defending the poster here at all but their comment wasn't aimed at you and unless you had mentioned at some point here that you don't appreciate being refered to as female but instead a woman then I wouldn't take as a personal and thus add in the "I don't appreciate" aspect.

Not trying to be mean or anything it's just it came off like you were personally offended or irritated at something that the poster wouldn't be able to know would offend or irritate you personally.
 
We're getting off topic so I'll leave it at this: as a woman I don't appreciate being referred to as a "female". I am a female human, a.k.a. a woman. I don't speak for all women but I can tell you every woman I am friends with feels the same.

Just a pro tip.

To get back on topic, I'm glad Disney is keeping with Walt's vision of an ever-changing, constantly growing and improving theme park. This scene has to go. It's also fatphobic, in my opinion. Glad to see what they come up with to improve this great classic ride.

How is it "fatphobic?"

I don't agree with what Dfan is saying, but if we are at the point in society that using the terms male and female are deemed offensive, it really shows that you'll never make everyone happy and someone will always be offended no matter what.
 
Of course no one, but Disney truly knows why they are removing the controversial elements. But there's only two possible reasons for the change.

either


1. P.C. hippies have forced Disney's hand

or

2. Disney decided to change it because of the negative message it portrayed

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Either way, I don't like the decision. Sure, people will still keep going on the attraction. Because even with all of the changes it's still one of the best rides in the park. But where does the changes end? Will there be anything from people's childhood memories that remain? Or will it be like Universal who seems to have no loyalty.

There's so many attractions that could be changed if everything has to be totally P.C. Is Haunted Mansion going to be changed as well? It tells the story of a woman who likes to kill off her husbands for their money. A person is even shown hanging from a noose at the beginning of the attraction.
 
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