***Official*** Pandora: The World of Avatar Information Thread

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Anyone who's read my posts over these MANY years knows that I often defend Disney and businesses and how they need to operate in general.

I've also clearly said in this thread that we cannot expect them to create EVERY ride such that EVERYONE can ride.

They appear to have set up a bizarre, unpredictably-fitting restraint. Doesn't seem ideal. Seems like a problem they probably need to address. In the meantime, I'd love more info before I lock into the FP that I basically need to reserve to avoid long waits in their system.

If fewer people were caught off guard because they attempted to give more info -- NOT A GUARANTEE OBVIOUSLY -- ahead of time, maybe CMs would have fewer upset people to deal with. From posts here, it doesn't seem like a picnic for them so far!!

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

They have click points that are too large, so to speak. Think of it like a belt loop and holes in the belt, where the holes are too far apart. You may have one that fits loose at one hole but tight at the very next one, needs a hole in between. Maybe they need to switch out whatever locking mechanism they use (I imagine a cog wheel of some sort) to one that has more adjustment points so instead of 10, there are 20 (just my example, I have no idea how many there are, or can be)

It is definitely the clicks and not variances. I had a similar feeling and knew it was the clicks. I'm squishy in the belly so it was able to push me forward and click an extra click so it felt tight. Not like dangerously can't breath tight but tighter then I would have put myself in. Fiance who is bigger and built sturdier said it pressed on his back but was comfortable.

"Click points" sounds promising... if that's the issue, seems like that could be fixed?? Is it the same issue for leg restraints, or is this just for back?

 

[rteetz]

Anyone who's read my posts over these MANY years knows that I often defend Disney and businesses and how they need to operate in general.

I've also clearly said in this thread that we cannot expect them to create EVERY ride such that EVERYONE can ride.

They appear to have set up a bizarre, unpredictably-fitting restraint. Doesn't seem ideal. Seems like a problem they probably need to address. In the meantime, I'd love more info before I lock into the FP that I basically need to reserve to avoid long waits in their system.

If fewer people were caught off guard because they attempted to give more info -- NOT A GUARANTEE OBVIOUSLY -- ahead of time, maybe CMs would have fewer upset people to deal with. From posts here, it doesn't seem like a picnic for them so far!!

What info are you looking for? It seems most of the issues rely in the leg restraints. Very large people have been able to get on as well as tall people. There really isn't a set body type that is being turned away which why it is so bizarre. I don't think it's as bad of an issue yet as some think it is but it obviously is an issue.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

What info are you looking for? It seems most of the issues rely in the leg restraints. Very large people have been able to get on as well as tall people. There really isn't a set body type that is being turned away which why it is so bizarre. I don't think it's as bad of an issue yet as some think it is but it obviously is an issue.

Measurements of the "box" legs need to fit into, and height at which leg restraints hit. I'm taking this only from what I've read on here. Seems like it would potentially be useful info, cutting down on those surprised when they get there with their FP booked 60 days ago.

Something like that.

Again -- can't imagine it's IMPOSSIBLE to nail this one down a tad better, given what a BIZARRE fit issue they appear to have created.

Perhaps adjustments will be possible that cut down on this in the long run. I'd love USEFUL info from them before Aug... or before Jun 8 when I book my FP.

 

[rteetz]

Measurements of the "box" legs need to fit into, and height at which leg restraints hit. I'm taking this only from what I've read on here. Seems like it would potentially be useful info, cutting down on those surprised when they get there with their FP booked 60 days ago.

Something like that.

Again -- can't imagine it's IMPOSSIBLE to nail this one down a tad better, given what a BIZARRE fit issue they appear to have created.

Perhaps adjustments will be possible that cut down on this.

Unless someone takes a tape measure I don't think we will get measurements. The height at which the leg restraints hit likely is based upon the person's size.

Again it's an issue however I think it is a bit blown up to what it actually is.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Unless someone takes a tape measure I don't think we will get measurements. The height at which the leg restraints hit likely is based upon the person's size.

Again it's an issue however I think it is a bit blown up to what it actually is.

-- Exactly!! But Disney has that info!

-- No -- I'm talking about a fixed measurement/height off the ground. How can that measurement vary?

ETA: Wrt how big a problem it is, I think we'll have more info when it open to all. More data.

 

[rteetz]

-- Exactly!! But Disney has that info!

-- No -- I'm talking about a fixed measurement/height off the ground. How can that measurement vary?

Disney isn't going to release that. They have never released exact measurement info for a ride vehicle.

I thought you were asking for what point they hit guests legs.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Disney isn't going to release that. They have never released exact measurement info for a ride vehicle.

I thought you were asking for what point they hit guests legs.

I'm sure you're right that they won't!

And that's a shame given:

1) The bizarre fit variability issues they've created

2) The need to book FP blind, 60 days out to avoid insane wait

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In any case... I'll move past this issue now!! How about those cute banshee figures?!?

 

[rteetz]

I'm sure you're right that they won't!

And that's a shame given:

1) The bizarre fit variability issues they've created

2) The need to book FP blind, 60 days out to avoid insane wait

Even if they release the measurements I personally don't think that's going to help. People can't recreate the restraints at home. You really don't know for sure until you try it out. Not everyone researches before trips either so plenty will book FPs and have no idea there is an issue.

 

[FastPasser.]

maybe CMs would have fewer upset people to deal with. From posts here, it doesn't seem like a picnic for them so far!!

I truly appreciate your concern for CMs, but based on being there from the beginning of the previews, I don't think it's as big a problem as you're being led to believe. And if it were, the vast majority of Pandora CMs are transfers from other areas who are accustomed to working attractions. IE, they've been there, done that. They know what to do with disgruntled guests.

I've actually sought out exiting guests who I felt were not able to ride FoP. I've found that for the most part, they weren't angry, mostly disappointed. And while they could have, they didn't take it out on me. And if they tried, I know how to diffuse any situation. Besides, would you yell at your Grampy?

 

[yulilin3]

First of all I don't think that, even if Disney had the exact measurements, they will release those, they must have their reasons, I'm assuming they won't say "people 250lbs and heavier, or 6' and taller, or waist xxx and larger" cannot ride
2nd even if we had a measurement from floor to hip each person has a different ability to bend, so some might bend a certain way and some won't.
I think putting the info on the website and MDE is the right thing to do and we won't know until the 27th on guest recovery if someone books a fp and they can't ride. I'm assuming a paper fp for all other attractions at AK will be given for the entire party.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Even if they release the measurements I personally don't think that's going to help. People can't recreate the restraints at home. You really don't know for sure until you try it out. Not everyone researches before trips either so plenty will book FPs and have no idea there is an issue.

Disagree that it wouldn't help some. I can visualize and measure a box, and it would help me as someone who DOES plan my trips carefully.

Agree to disagree!! Vive la différence!

After I ride in Aug, I'll come back with as precise info as I can manage for anyone concerned about the same thing I am.

 

[Capang]

-- Exactly!! But Disney has that info!

-- No -- I'm talking about a fixed measurement/height off the ground. How can that measurement vary?

ETA: Wrt how big a problem it is, I think we'll have more info when it open to all. More data.

I'm not sure measurements would help in this case. It seems to have more to do with the combination of length of legs and width of calves. That seems to be why such an odd mix has had a hard time. It's not like some rides where the seat is x inches wide the seat belt is x inches long. FoP seems to need more of an equation to determine if you can ride vs exact set measurements.
ETA: I think ratio is more what I was going for, not equation.

 

[FastPasser.]

How about those cute banshee figures?!?

Now you're talking. And they are really cute. I've seen hundreds of them on guests shoulders and in boxes. It's a gold mine.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I think putting the info on the website and MDE is the right thing to do and we won't know until the 27th on guest recovery if someone books a fp and they can't ride. I'm assuming a paper fp for all other attractions at AK will be given for the entire party.

This is what I would hope.

I truly appreciate your concern for CMs, but based on being there from the beginning of the previews, I don't think it's as big a problem as you're being led to believe. And if it were, the vast majority of Pandora CMs are transfers from other areas who are accustomed to working attractions. IE, they've been there, done that. They know what to do with disgruntled guests.

I've actually sought out exiting guests who I felt were not able to ride FoP. I've found that for the most part, they weren't angry, mostly disappointed. And while they could have, they didn't take it out on me. And if they tried, I know how to diffuse any situation. Besides, would you yell at your Grampy?

That is all good to hear -- thanks!!

 

[wilkeliza]

"Click points" sounds promising... if that's the issue, seems like that could be fixed?? Is it the same issue for leg restraints, or is this just for back?

Clicks doesn't always equal adjustible. They may have already adjusted it for all we know since some who couldn't ride durinf CM previews were able to ride during AP previews. There is a minimum that the restraint must reach and if Disney already has it at the minimum they can't let any less or the restraint won't be safe.

 

[CAS239]

In Pandora now for 6-8 preview. By 5:45 already did both rides and in Satuli Canteen with the green Groges beer

 

[JennLTX]

Exactly, my daughter is slim and she felt it tight at her back I am fluffy and had room to breath
My son, another twig was fine
Here's a pic of us

That is one good lookin' family right there.

 

[FastPasser.]

In Pandora now for 6-8 preview. By 5:45 already did both rides and in Satuli Canteen with the green Groges beer

Life is good. What time did the line begin to move in? Were they using the FPs?

 

[JennLTX]

In Pandora now for 6-8 preview. By 5:45 already did both rides and in Satuli Canteen with the green Groges beer

Excellent. You, a trusted member of this online community, can finally answer the most important question of all:

HOW IS THAT BEER???