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[Dean]

* If housekeeping CMs are given incentives for reporting room issues, yes it would be an invitation to abuse. But I think it was Dean who said that other chains use systems that require verification from 2-3 people including a manager. That's a logical safeguard and would require collusion among several CMs to file a false report. Does anyone really think that so many people would put their jobs on the line just to split $25-50? In those cases the denials are going to be so forceful that it won't take long before someone catches on to the scam.

My understanding of incentives along this lines is nothing like $25 per item, more like an overall judgement of your performance. What you would do is set up an expectation of reporting real abuses and a method to give negative feedback to an employee that didn't fulfill those expectations. WDW already has a system in place to recognize people to do a good job. You simply place this item on their yearly or quarterly evaluation and tie any bonus or raises, including COL increases, to the expectations. If an employee gets low marks in any concrete area, they are not eligible for raises or bonuses as appropriate. If they don't fall into the low categories, their $$ amounts are directly tied to how well hey do in each of the categories. For example, you have a high, med and low rating on 20 items. You get low on your evaluation in any major category, no raise at all, the same category twice, you're on probation with a re-eval in 3-6 months and a third time, you're gone. Middle ratings count neutral and each category you get high marks is tied to a fraction of a percent raise appropriate for the importance of that category or to a direct bonus amount up to a max of amount set for one or both categories. There are a million ways one could do this.

The idea that people want to do nothing because someone somewhere might possibly get charged when they really didn't do anything is very unrealistic. Companies don't do those type of things, they can't afford to. That's not to say it could never happen, but the chances are dramatically low. IF a CM wanted to put one over on you, they could do it in many ways independent of this issue.

 

[Dean]

Oh, heck, someone blows smoke in another persons face, they deserve to have the gun inserted somewhere, not just squirted at them!!!

You would have my full support in that case.

You can be on my team, aim low.

 

[DisneyDVCdad]

So you believe WDW should guarentee a sterile environment?

How do you move trees? How do you stop the wind? What if you are an asmatic that perfumes/fireworks and other allergens are enough to set off an attack?

If a persons respiratory problems are that bad, then they proably should live in an O2 filled plastic bubble, don't you think?

Your missing my point entirely! You keep taking everything to the most extreme view! If you have these problems you know what you need to stay away from don't you?

 

[Inkmahm]

Here's the simple fact people....I'm still going to smoke in my room. Only now I won't be in a room designated as a smoking room. If that costs me $250-$500 extra for my trip, so be it. Nothing anyone can say here is going to change that fact.

Sorry, I just don't believe you. Unless you're independently wealthy, you can't convince me you're going to through $500 out the window just so you can smoke in your villa. It's just your emotion talking right now.

 

[DisneyDVCdad]

Now that you mention it,I am allergic to some perfumes and body lotions. For some reason Bath and Body and other less expensive scents must be set with something that triggers an allergy. A couple of times I was literally gasping for air. I know at once when I'm near an offensive scent and move away as quickly as possible.

This is what I mean if you have bad reaction to something you try to stay away from it!

 

[electricmayhemlover]

seems awfully self-righteous to pretend to understand what someone else is thinking. I am a smoker, and I am still sure that my nicotine residue is not as harmful to the non-smokers' lungs as the carbon monoxide from the cars that are being driven to the resort from all over the world.
I would like to say that I won't smoke in my room. I am sure I will though. I plan to spend a lot of time at the parks though, so it will probably only be that morning one and that midnight one.
I do feel that smokers are being discriminated against, but that is my personal opinion. I would like to see all hotels keeping a certain number of rooms for smokers.

 

[Dean]

Sorry, I just don't believe you. Unless you're independently wealthy, you can't convince me you're going to through $500 out the window just so you can smoke in your villa. It's just your emotion talking right now.

Not only that, in most situations like this it's not just a fine or cleaning fee but a per day or per occurrence fee, often accompanied by a 3 strikes and you're out clause. I know a resort in HH where you sign a contract when you check in that says if you're over the occupancy you get 2 hours to correct it. If it's not corrected after that, you are out the door.

 

[DisneyDVCdad]

seems awfully self-righteous to pretend to understand what someone else is thinking. I am a smoker, and I am still sure that my nicotine residue is not as harmful to the non-smokers' lungs as the carbon monoxide from the cars that are being driven to the resort from all over the world.
I would like to say that I won't smoke in my room. I am sure I will though. I plan to spend a lot of time at the parks though, so it will probably only be that morning one and that midnight one.
I do feel that smokers are being discriminated against, but that is my personal opinion. I would like to see all hotels keeping a certain number of rooms for smokers.

As a smoker Do you smoke in your house? Just curious? If off to bed 4:30 comes around early

 

[electricmayhemlover]

I agree. I have been to many hotels throughout the years, and have always smoked in the rooms, whether they have ashtrays or not. I don't think that a day of occasional smoking has bothered someone staying after me that much. If someone is that allergic, or asthmatic, I would hope that they would take precautions. Those who are allergic to peanuts have to do the same. Right?

 

[2Princes2Princesses]

Well, we put our heads together and came up with a solution. Because that is what we do. All this back and forth is a little confusing for me, mainly because what has changed?
1. Disney is getting rid of smoking rooms.
2. Disney is going to presumably fine people for breaking the rule.
3. Smoking is no longer allowed on balconies.

My first thought on reading this new policy? "OMG, people are going to be stinking up the rooms like mad now."

Now, I can appreciate the balcony issue. At BW, you are practically on top of each other. SSR, you are not very far either. I have not stayed in the other resorts yet, so I cannot really comment, but BCV seems the same, I would say that possibly OKW is the only resort where you might be far enough away to not be fumigating your neighbor. I mean, I would think nonsmokers would actually hate this policy, since it ups the chance of getting a smoked in room, since instead of the balcony, people will hide inside and smoke.

And since the smoking rooms themselves are not an issue for n/s..I assume that this is a $$ issue for Disney.

So this is the solution we thought of:
In each resort, make one building, or one separated section of rooms "smoking" HOWEVER, the rooms themselves are N/S (thus eliminating the cleaning costs for Disney). The only place you can smoke in this section of rooms is on the balcony. It would, of course, have to be away from the N/S balconies.

All other rooms and balconies strictly nonsmoking. Fines imposed for smoking in the room or on the balcony, as well as fines for smoking IN the rooms that are smoking optional on the balcony. The balconies could be equipped with those sand filled ashtrays for safety and cleanliness.

Then, noone is smoking indoors. Nonsmokers can enjoy their balconies and the smokers who don't want to make the effort to go downstairs to the designated areas have their balconies if they want, all grouped together.

Dh also had an idea for a smoking resort, complete with theming, but I don't know if it would be as funny to you guys as it was to me, so I will spare you.

 

[DVCconvert]

Your missing my point entirely! You keep taking everything to the most extreme view! If you have these problems you know what you need to stay away from don't you?

YOU are missing MY point entirely!
If you need to stay away from life - then don't go to WDW or leave the chair in a filtered plastic bubble!

 

[darlak]

Sorry, I just don't believe you. Unless you're independently wealthy, you can't convince me you're going to through $500 out the window just so you can smoke in your villa. It's just your emotion talking right now.

You don't know me, so there's no possible way you could know if I would or wouldn't be willing to pay that fine. I have called to inquire and was told that it will be a one time fine, not daily. In fact, I specifically asked if the fine would cover the duration of my stay and was assured that it would. As for the fine, it's all a matter of perspective. For the record, we're talking about my shoe budget for a couple of months. That is NOT something I joke about. IMO the sacrifice will be worth it to enjoy my vacation. If the penalities are raised, at some point, I might have to reevaluate, but it will have to be substantially higher than it is now. As for letting my emotions speak for me, I rarely allow that since I spend most of my days in a courtroom. If given the option however, I will always choose a smoking room. Maybe you should hope I get that option back.

 

[CarolA]

I am NOT reading this thread. (Any thread that's 37 pages just takes too much effort LOL!)

But I thought you might find this report on the Marriott interesting. I think it reflects what you are going to find with Disney.... Not really an improvment....


http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=688367

 

[cyn916]

seems awfully self-righteous to pretend to understand what someone else is thinking. I am a smoker, and I am still sure that my nicotine residue is not as harmful to the non-smokers' lungs as the carbon monoxide from the cars that are being driven to the resort from all over the world.
I would like to say that I won't smoke in my room. I am sure I will though. I plan to spend a lot of time at the parks though, so it will probably only be that morning one and that midnight one.
I do feel that smokers are being discriminated against, but that is my personal opinion. I would like to see all hotels keeping a certain number of rooms for smokers.

I agree that whenever people that don't smoke talk about those who do, it starts to sound very self-righteous. Doesn't seem right when discussing disney world...

 

[darlak]

Now that you mention it,I am allergic to some perfumes and body lotions. For some reason Bath and Body and other less expensive scents must be set with something that triggers an allergy. A couple of times I was literally gasping for air. I know at once when I'm near an offensive scent and move away as quickly as possible.

OMG, you should contact Disney with the names of all offending colognes. maybe you can get them to ban those!

 

[Dean]

I agree. I have been to many hotels throughout the years, and have always smoked in the rooms, whether they have ashtrays or not. I don't think that a day of occasional smoking has bothered someone staying after me that much. If someone is that allergic, or asthmatic, I would hope that they would take precautions. Those who are allergic to peanuts have to do the same. Right?

One of the main precautions is to book NS guaranteed rooms, what else could they do and still travel outside a motor-home or avoiding chains that look the other way when rude people smoke in a NS room.

 

[electricmayhemlover]

You don't know me, so there's no possible way you could know if I would or wouldn't be willing to pay that fine. I have called to inquire and was told that it will be a one time fine, not daily. In fact, I specifically asked if the fine would cover the duration of my stay and was assured that it would. As for the fine, it's all a matter of perspective. For the record, we're talking about my shoe budget for a couple of months. That is NOT something I joke about. IMO the sacrifice will be worth it to enjoy my vacation. If the penalities are raised, at some point, I might have to reevaluate, but it will have to be substantially higher than it is now. As for letting my emotions speak for me, I rarely allow that since I spend most of my days in a courtroom. If given the option however, I will always choose a smoking room. Maybe you should hope I get that option back.

I agree. I'm already paying more than enough for the cigarettes, I might as well pay for the fine as well!!

 

[DVCconvert]

As a smoker Do you smoke in your house? Just curious? ....

Just curious as to why you're asking. What would your thoughts be if they do, but only on their back porch? (for the sake of discussion say the back porch is 12' from the next door neighbors back porch)

 

[electricmayhemlover]

As a smoker Do you smoke in your house? Just curious? If off to bed 4:30 comes around early

Yep, I do.

 

[electricmayhemlover]

Just curious as to why you're asking. What would your thoughts be if they do, but only on their back porch? (for the sake of discussion say the back porch is 12' from the next door neighbors back porch)

I do smoke in my house, on my porch, in my car, in a box with a fox....