A pediatrician told a friend of mine, the first swat on the behind is for punishment and teaching, any swat after that is for the parent. Very true. I didn't have a problem with swatting my children on the behind when they are younger - it doesn't hurt with the diaper and it teaches them. Now that they are older, taking privledges away is much more beneficial. Such as nothing that requires electricity or batteries for two weeks. I don't want to listen to them complain about being grounded to the house besides being outside is good for them. So we came up with this alternative to grounding. As for the 13 year old at WDW, if my child acted like that at that age, he/she would have to serve 2 weeks community service when we got home. I learned this from a friend of a friend. They didn't want to have to live with a grounded teenager so they would tack on a weeks community service for every time the teenager did something that warrented a grounding. Well, as the school year progressed, the teenager would get into trouble with his friends. His friends would get grounded and they would say how great the teenager had it since he wasn't grounded. Well, surprise, surprise, when summer break came, the friends of the teenager were having a great time swimming and such but where was the teenager? He accrued 6 weeks of community service. He worked the entire summer. However, the next school year, he was a model student and kid. GREAT idea! It helps the community, helps teach your kid how to help others less fortunate and may even strike something in the teen to want to get into that line of work. Win, win all the way around.