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Mackenzie Click-Mickelson said:

4) You shouldn't be passed over for a position..because you do great work...that sounds iffy to me and I wouldn't want management to hold me back in my career like that.

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mousehockey37 said:

Why should management have any motivation to move someone they know can do the job and get the numbers they want? Sadly, I say this as a person who is like the OP. I'm constantly one of the top performers in my department, given special assignments that require a little more attention and such, but yet, when I try to move up, I'll get some BS excuse and it's back to just doing what I do. So yeah, it happens a lot that people get passed over, and others who may be less qualified wind up moving on to bigger, better things. It's very frustrating.

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Mackenzie Click-Mickelson said:

I'm trying to understand why you quoted me on that point?

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mousehockey37 said:

Basically, you said she shouldn't be passed over due to her productivity. I'm saying, it happens all the time, myself included. Management doesn't look out for anyone but themselves. They have their own bonuses and such should they hit certain numbers (maybe not with the OP, but elsewhere), so they're going to make sure that they hold certain people down when needed and then there's always the people who have the "connections" and get promoted no matter how good or bad they do.

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Mackenzie Click-Mickelson said:

1) You're doing training work that IMO should be paid. Have you looked at labor laws in your state?.

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Halloweenqueen said:

I started a job in November with a great new company with lots of potential. I've been working my behind off and am the top producer out of about two dozen employees. In March I was approached by management and offered a promotion. Myself, along with two other peers were sent for training for almost three weeks. When we returned we were told that our positions were not ready and we had to wait a month to start. We were put back into our old positions.

I understood. The company is new and experiencing some growing pains. April turned into May. I was obligated to continue training and attend all meetings as if I was in my new position off the clock. In the last 3 months I have counted almost 40 hours in unpaid work.

On Friday during the management meeting the lead announced that they were only going to promote one out of the three of us in June. The others would have to wait until the Fall for possible promotions. The three of us looked at each other in stunned belief and met after the meeting to vent.

At the same meeting my lead congratulated me on my performance and stated that I bring in 1/4 of all business to the company. I think I will be not offered the position since my numbers are so important to our success. The second best performer is also one of those trained for the promotion. I think the promotion will actually go to the candidate with the lowest numbers.

As we gathered after the meeting I discovered that we are actually being paid less than many of our new hired peers. I'm just shocked by how this has been handled.

I see such potential and I've been so patient, but I think I've been taken advantage of. I'm actually thinking of walking away.

Any advice would be appreciated.

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tvguy said:

Unless I missed something, OP did not say they weren't paid. OP said they were sent out for 3 weeks for training, which to me implies they did the training for 3 weeks instead of their normal jobs, which implies to me they were played.
Training to me is kind of a red flag to me. But that is only because my company will train us on something new, then decide that something new just isn't going to work out so they drop it.

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Mackenzie Click-Mickelson said:

If the company was established I would wait it out though I would be cautious in the near future.

Since the company is new I would have a bit more reservations.

1) You're doing training work that IMO should be paid. Have you looked at labor laws in your state?

2) You're initially told all 3 would be promoted and now it's only 1 being promoted after you've already done training for the new position

3) New hires are getting paid more than you but the company presumably cannot afford to pay all 3 of what I would assume is increased salaries if all 3 of you were promoted. Now this isn't a big issue because you don't necessarily know if they are coming in with more/better experience or whatnot but still sounds a bit iffy to me to offer 3 promotions, then back out and offer only 1 while also hiring newer people on a higher salary. I could also be off base on not being able to afford 3 new salaries as well as assuming the promotions come with higher pay. Guess it could also be you three are the only ones who can do the work you currently do but I would still be wary about the initial offer of 3 done to now 1.

4) You shouldn't be passed over for a position..because you do great work...that sounds iffy to me and I wouldn't want management to hold me back in my career like that.

I do agree a discussion with management should be done in a polite yet firm manner.

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tvguy said:

Missed that.
We had a new boss....who had never worked in California....require us all to do mandatory training for 8 hours on a Saturday. He was shocked we all put in for overtime. He was going to try and fight it until HR told him that him using the word "mandatory" means "with overtime pay".
My wife is in a union position, their contract allows 1 unpaid training session a year, not to exceed 1 hour in length.

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Halloweenqueen said:

I started a job in November with a great new company with lots of potential. I've been working my behind off and am the top producer out of about two dozen employees. In March I was approached by management and offered a promotion. Myself, along with two other peers were sent for training for almost three weeks. When we returned we were told that our positions were not ready and we had to wait a month to start. We were put back into our old positions.

I understood. The company is new and experiencing some growing pains. April turned into May. I was obligated to continue training and attend all meetings as if I was in my new position off the clock. In the last 3 months I have counted almost 40 hours in unpaid work.

On Friday during the management meeting the lead announced that they were only going to promote one out of the three of us in June. The others would have to wait until the Fall for possible promotions. The three of us looked at each other in stunned belief and met after the meeting to vent.

At the same meeting my lead congratulated me on my performance and stated that I bring in 1/4 of all business to the company. I think I will be not offered the position since my numbers are so important to our success. The second best performer is also one of those trained for the promotion. I think the promotion will actually go to the candidate with the lowest numbers.

As we gathered after the meeting I discovered that we are actually being paid less than many of our new hired peers. I'm just shocked by how this has been handled.

I see such potential and I've been so patient, but I think I've been taken advantage of. I'm actually thinking of walking away.

Any advice would be appreciated.

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Halloweenqueen said:

I started a job in November with a great new company with lots of potential. I've been working my behind off and am the top producer out of about two dozen employees. In March I was approached by management and offered a promotion. Myself, along with two other peers were sent for training for almost three weeks. When we returned we were told that our positions were not ready and we had to wait a month to start. We were put back into our old positions.

I understood. The company is new and experiencing some growing pains. April turned into May. I was obligated to continue training and attend all meetings as if I was in my new position off the clock. In the last 3 months I have counted almost 40 hours in unpaid work.

On Friday during the management meeting the lead announced that they were only going to promote one out of the three of us in June. The others would have to wait until the Fall for possible promotions. The three of us looked at each other in stunned belief and met after the meeting to vent.

At the same meeting my lead congratulated me on my performance and stated that I bring in 1/4 of all business to the company. I think I will be not offered the position since my numbers are so important to our success. The second best performer is also one of those trained for the promotion. I think the promotion will actually go to the candidate with the lowest numbers.

As we gathered after the meeting I discovered that we are actually being paid less than many of our new hired peers. I'm just shocked by how this has been handled.

I see such potential and I've been so patient, but I think I've been taken advantage of. I'm actually thinking of walking away.

Any advice would be appreciated.

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