Why I am changing my touring plans to lessen the load

I so disagree. The concept of putting some ice cream over a ride boggles my mind.
The unique parts of Disney ( Astro orbiter) are far more important than sugar.
I think you misunderstood the intention of my post. You make it sound like i am putting an emphasis on putting "sugar" in my child's mouth over a ride. My intention of the post is to lower our expectations to allow more spontaneous moments and free time to get pictures, watching a parade, going into a shop and yes eat ice cream! If i plot out our day to incorporate too many rides and shows we will not have a relaxed pace to take in other aspects of being at WDW. We will make our FP, we will have our ADR and we will fit in what we can in between. We will have a looser plan that i originally thought we would.
 
Where did the OP say anything about their child having a tantrum over a Mickey Bar?
Thank you!!! My daughter is actually really good and usually only melts down once we are in the car on our way home or once we get home, but out and about she thankfully holds it together.

We are hopefully going to be lucky enough to attend the DVC moonlight magic at AK during our stay -- where they will have unlimited FREE Mickey Ice creams and we all plan on having one ( maybe 2). Sugar overload!!
 
OP, sounds like an excellent plan, to me!

Something that took me by surprise was the need for my kids to play. 20 or so minutes on a playground (or just running in circles o_O) was their recovery from sensory overload with the crowds, noise, and rides. I chafed at the pause that first trip, because I had plans, but giving their minds and bodies those breaks helped with their overall moods. I've used that tip when traveling, ever since. Sometimes kids just need some free time to enjoy the rest of the day.

Also, I fed them when I knew they needed something. I didn't wait for them to tell me, though I'd ask. Not all kids are like that but we have a schedule at home and their bodies were used to eating at certain times. My youngest is a bottomless pit in stressful situations. He wanted food constantly, my other two "weren't hungry" but definitely needed refueling on a regular basis. The big meals I planned weren't as successful as I thought they'd be. DH and I needed to sit and have a drink, though, so they weren't a waste!
 
I am a planner. I like knowing what I want to do next instead of wasting time figuring it out. I like knowing at the end of the day that I saw and did everything I wanted to do. On the other hand, I am in charge, not the plan. I often make changes to my plan at the spur of the moment. I want a Dole Whip Float, I get one, whether a snack was on the plan for that time, or at all; I'm hungry, I eat--exception due to ADRs--I will wait if the ADR is soon. I decide I don't want to ride a ride or see a show that was planned, I don't. Some would say my plans are too ambitious, but I have a sense of satisfaction when I complete them. I would rather have it on the plan and take it off on the spot than have it not on the plan and forget about it--that causes regrets later on, at least for me.
 


DH and I had a 4 day trip earlier this month that I cancelled all of our fastpasses and Adr's for about a week before leaving. The main reason for the trip was to see all the holiday decor. I found that once I made those fastpasses and adr's our days felt too scheduled. Without any plans we enjoyed hours at the deluxe resorts and in the parks. We were able to get adr's day of for 2 TS per day ( we had the deluxe ddp)at Sanaa, Yak and Yeti, Kona, 'ohana, Crystal Palace, chef's de France, and California Grill....and get fastpasses for everything except Pandora, FEA and SDMT. Now, I wouldn't recommend this level of winging it for most situations but it was perfect for us.
 
I have such a different perspective.



I so disagree. The concept of putting some ice cream over a ride boggles my mind. We go to the store and buy GOOD ice cream to eat back at the villa, and we don’t waste money or time on mockeybvars. The unique parts of Disney ( Astro orbiter) are far more important than sugar.

This is from the perspective of one who found out in the early years of my son and Disneyland that he cannot have anything based on corn syrup, and Mickey bars have that. One of those would have messed him up, and and kind have destroyed the next two hours of our day.

But even to put a safe Haagen Dasz bar over a ride is just madness to me. The kiddo can get ice cream *anywhere*. Ride the ride.

I have gotten a Mickey bar on every trip since I could eat one (every year/year and a half for more than 30 years.) The old bars and the newer bars. I am not a sugar addict and do not NEED the sugar. It is just fun. Many photos in our old photo albums of my sister and I eating them. We might have missed a ride or two to sit and enjoy it. As an adult I don’t remember and don’t care.

We do not eat ice cream often at home. We rarely buy it. Ice cream is for special occasions for us like birthdays, holidays, being on vacation at Walt Disney World, etc. It IS special for our family to take a break and eat a Mickey bar together while we are taking in the sights and sounds. It is our tradition. And we’re doing it with our kids too.

You can knock the Mickey bar break all you want. Different perspectives make the world go round!
 
We do not eat ice cream often at home. We rarely buy it. Ice cream is for special occasions for us like birthdays, holidays, being on vacation at Walt Disney World, etc. It IS special for our family to take a break and eat a Mickey bar together while we are taking in the sights and sounds. It is our tradition. And we’re doing it with our kids too.
So funny - we are exactly the same way -- I can't remember the last time i had ice cream in my house, I think we went for ice cream once this summer (disappointing!) I don't think they would still have the Mickey Ice cream bar if it was that horrendous and no one was buying it.

I think the first night of my trip with my twins we had snacks at Epcot - one of the first pictures in my photo album is all of us eating our Mickey Ice creams - so you are right its good ice cream (Ample Hills is certainly better!) but it is the memory of eating that tasty treat. Aside from the ice cream, dole whips are the only other really memorable snack that i have had at WDW.
 


I agree with knowing what is important.
And remembering you have a 4 year old who is going to have reactions you can’t predict - will she want to do every character stop? Will she want to ride the carousel 5 times in a row? Will she hate the fireworks?

I think you want a to have done your research so you know where things are at the park. So you can navigate - you want to know when things are happening ( like a parade that only occurs at a certain time.)

The rest - you will be surprised at what your kids gravitate towards.
 
Everyone has their own style. DW has an bad knee which occasionally requires us to just stop and sit for a bit. I found it VERY helpful to use Touring Plans customized plans and set the walking speed to "Very Relaxed." This way we had plenty of time to sit and rest or shop whenever the mood struck us, but we still kept an efficient overall plan that minimized any backtracking. We also set our expectations realistically so we had a great time.
 
I found that after a long day at MK, stopping for a dole whip was exactly what we needed! A chance to sit down and cool off.
 
Plans make it easier to take in s&s. Stopping after every ride or ill conceived Mickey bar to get out the map and consult with the children or adults who don’t know the parks will tank you right out of enjoyment mode. And cause less enjoyment.
This part made me smile because one of my son's favorite things ever is to look at the map! I typically have things planned and I study maps at home prior to going places (This holds true not just for Disney parks but even road maps when I am going someplace new. I will study google maps of areas I am driving to so I get a bit of the lay of the land so to speak.) and I guess he has picked up on it. If my son wants to pull over to the side (that's my terminology for getting out of the way so we don't stop in the way of others) and figure out where we are going next I am perfectly fine with that! He enjoys doing it and I enjoy when he is happy! No tanking here, quite the opposite in fact! Different strokes for different folks as they say!
 
I have such a different perspective.



I so disagree. The concept of putting some ice cream over a ride boggles my mind. We go to the store and buy GOOD ice cream to eat back at the villa, and we don’t waste money or time on mockeybvars. The unique parts of Disney ( Astro orbiter) are far more important than sugar.

This is from the perspective of one who found out in the early years of my son and Disneyland that he cannot have anything based on corn syrup, and Mickey bars have that. One of those would have messed him up, and and kind have destroyed the next two hours of our day.

But even to put a safe Haagen Dasz bar over a ride is just madness to me. The kiddo can get ice cream *anywhere*. Ride the ride.

And I f a kid decides to tantrum over a mickey bar, it’s a sign they needed real food about an hour ago.



You actually cannot. You think you can from your preconceptions, but by watching 10 minutes of someone’s life you can tell very little.



Nope. Disagree 100%.

No one is immune to any of those things. And being like that while I’m line for POTC doesn’t mean they’ll be like that 25 minutes later while walking to HM. You’re seeing a blip in time, with tons of time leading up to that moment that you aren’t privy to.

People watching is fun but it’s a wildly inaccurate science. Have fun making up the stories about those people but never think you know what’s going on with them.



Plans make it easier to take in s&s. Stopping after every ride or ill conceived Mickey bar to get out the map and consult with the children or adults who don’t know the parks will tank you right out of enjoyment mode. And cause less enjoyment.



Yes.



Absolutely.



Were you hungry? Sounds like YOU needed to eat. Food is important even when others in your party forget. An early meltdown of my family’s involved an argument between husband and 3 year old. Child was telling us what he wanted and husband was disagreeing. I suddenly realized it was approaching. 9pm and we hadn’t eaten since lunch. I told them both to zip it and ran to an open QS to get food into everyone. DS was quite angry bc the thing he wanted to do was so important (yeah, he was 3...nope, you don’t know what’s best here), but he did eat and before he could say “yum” after his food he fell asleep, very important plan entirely forgotten.

Food is important. Planning for food is important. Getting a pearl out of some poor oyster is an experience, but food is actually important, and I would assume you were bringing his grandfather with you all.



Plans are good. Good attitude about plans are GOOD. I think a lot of time it’s the women doing the planning, and if something goes wrong it’s easy to blame ourselves. And if we had a plan, that means the plan is bad. Meh.



Our trips with solid plans have gone soooo much better overall than our trips without plans. Even the trips where I had to pretend there were no plans, because my brother was making fun of me, were better. (Done by it being me to come up with the “idea” every time that darned map got pulled out) Only once you’ve been there *several* times can you truly start winging it with a strong possibility of success. But by the time you’ve been there several times, you aren’t winging it anymore.

Sometimes we go to Disney JUST to eat ice cream and watch fireworks from the hub grass. :confused3
 
I think your plan to not plan as much into each day is a good one, especially with a four year old. When my youngest two were four and five, we had to prioritize and read their cues. When they were 10 and 11, we had a Commando plan and rode and saw almost everything. They loved the Commando plan. My DH and I did a Commando plan in 2010 (empty nesters) which worked so well we ended up with downtime we didn't expect. In 2014 I made the same kind of plan and the crowds and other limitations (illness, hunger and boredom mostly) got the best of us. It's in my 2014 trip report below, spreadsheets and lessons learned included.
 
Someone said it - lots of different ways to do Disney. Main thing - find the way that works for your family, and be flexible.

There was that trip I rode the Magic Carpets of Alladin like 5 times in a row. Not particularly unique or fun, but it was what DD wanted to do and making them happy was the important thing. Or the trip where we hardly road anything because other DD didn't like rides. But even without rides, WDW is amazing - so much to see, do, experience. (And luckily, the kids like the characters.) Or the trip where DD threw up a lot and we ended up basically missing Epcot. Got to go with the flow.

But understanding the options, how WDW works, where things are - all of that makes WDW easier. Sounds like you have that down.

Also, breaking up some may be helpful. Big kids on Splash, you and DD watching the wave from the bridge and having a Mickey bar. Or a bath room break or a run around time.
 
I have been planning Disney trips for 20+ years and for the life of me, I can't figure out how grabbing a snack is going to ruin a plan or cause someone to miss Astro Orbiter.
 
We have been anxiously planning our upcoming April trip for over 2.5 years. Why you ask? -- well we took our boys when they were 9 and left our then 18 month old DD with her grandparents - she had a great time and we had a wonderful one on one trip with our boys. Fast forward - she is 4 and we are in the thick of our planning for her first trip - everyone else it will be their 3rd or 4th trip. I have been going nuts trying to plan every second of our 7 day trip, just to make sure we see and do everything.

We are just about 4 months away - ADR have been made and we are happy with our selection and may even cancel some at Epcot - with all the wonderful outdoor kitchens it is tough to sit in a restaurant with great options all around the "world".

I have been looking at my touring plans - pretty much every second of every day is plotted out with us hitting pretty much every ride at all the parks and I hate it!!! I want to have time to just grab a snack and have time to go through the shops, have time to stop at the photopass photographers and soak up our first trip with our daughter. I realized i am trying to accomplish too much and I will be stressed trying to hit everything. I have been sorting through our touring plans and removing some rides that will be nice to hit, but not must do's for her first trip. I am a drill Sargent at home when it comes to getting up and ready for school and when we are wrapping up things for the evening to go to bed. I do not want this trip to feel like our lives are at home. I want us to see and really experience WDW in the eyes of my daughters first visit- she is not going to care if she misses Astro orbiter, but will likely love to stop and eat her first Mickey Ice Cream. I don't want to take away her joy by rushing us through our days.

I don't know what hit me to make me look at our trip differently. Perhaps it has been reading many posts here of peoples trip reports -- seeing that unexpected things occur - bad weather, ride closures, people getting sick -- I don't want to be disappointed in our trip, so i am changing my expectations and taking it down a few notches. I think it has already released some of the trip planning stress for me.

Trip planning is a weird mix of stress and fun for me. We've taken our older daughter 6 times in the last 4 years, and each time is a little different as she's gotten older. I feel like by the time she was 3-4, she had a lot more stamina and really enjoyed it. We were probably also a lot better at seeing the signs and averting an overtired or hangry meltdown too. These days, we will book a TS dinner for around 5pm, and book our 3 FP+ in the morning, even though I know that isn't always the best use of them. If we have any rider switch, we save them to use later in the day. That way we also have plenty of time in the afternoon to go back to the hotel for a break, nap, pool time, or some combination of the above, depending on what time the kids woke up and how tired they seem to be. It works well for our family.

OP, sounds like an excellent plan, to me!

Something that took me by surprise was the need for my kids to play. 20 or so minutes on a playground (or just running in circles o_O) was their recovery from sensory overload with the crowds, noise, and rides. I chafed at the pause that first trip, because I had plans, but giving their minds and bodies those breaks helped with their overall moods. I've used that tip when traveling, ever since. Sometimes kids just need some free time to enjoy the rest of the day.

Also, I fed them when I knew they needed something. I didn't wait for them to tell me, though I'd ask. Not all kids are like that but we have a schedule at home and their bodies were used to eating at certain times. My youngest is a bottomless pit in stressful situations. He wanted food constantly, my other two "weren't hungry" but definitely needed refueling on a regular basis. The big meals I planned weren't as successful as I thought they'd be. DH and I needed to sit and have a drink, though, so they weren't a waste!

SO much this^^^ Our first trip staying onsite, I brought DD (then 3) to MK in the morning of our 6th day, and all she wanted to do was play around the Goofy statue near the Town Square. We literally made it about 50 feet past the archways when you enter the park. That was her way of saying she needed a non-park day, and we went back to the hotel and spent some time in the pool, and didn't go back into a park until dinnertime, for dinner. We were all happier that way.

I am a planner. I like knowing what I want to do next instead of wasting time figuring it out. I like knowing at the end of the day that I saw and did everything I wanted to do. On the other hand, I am in charge, not the plan. I often make changes to my plan at the spur of the moment. I want a Dole Whip Float, I get one, whether a snack was on the plan for that time, or at all; I'm hungry, I eat--exception due to ADRs--I will wait if the ADR is soon. I decide I don't want to ride a ride or see a show that was planned, I don't. Some would say my plans are too ambitious, but I have a sense of satisfaction when I complete them. I would rather have it on the plan and take it off on the spot than have it not on the plan and forget about it--that causes regrets later on, at least for me.

This is me as well. Some days we will ride our FP+ rides and that's it, and we'll have resort time or low key time. We don't rush from ride to ride any more. And if we happen to be too far to get to our last FP because we rode a bunch of rides on the other side of the park that had no wait, so be it. We'll ride it another time.

I agree with knowing what is important.
And remembering you have a 4 year old who is going to have reactions you can’t predict - will she want to do every character stop? Will she want to ride the carousel 5 times in a row? Will she hate the fireworks?

I think you want a to have done your research so you know where things are at the park. So you can navigate - you want to know when things are happening ( like a parade that only occurs at a certain time.)

The rest - you will be surprised at what your kids gravitate towards.

Also agree with this - I remember one time as a kid, my 8-years-younger sister wanted to ride the carousel and nothing else. I was 12 then, and probably rode 3x in a row every MK day on that trip. Our ODD did this on one of our trips where we were in danger of missing our Peter Pan FP, and last trip, we used the carousel for YDD while ODD was on 7DMT. This is also how we end up riding IASW over and over and over again....

@kniquy - I used to an uber planner, and now I am much more ready to scrap a FP or even a whole afternoon's worth of plans, because the kids want to take their time doing something else. There is definitely more of a sense of magic when you stop to experience the parks from your child's POV rather than running from FP to FP or checking the app after every ride to see which one has the shortest wait times.
 
We think it is important to plan your first hour or two, then just let things happen. You have attractions that you want to do, but may not hit exactly on time. You are right - let things simmer and have a little bit of go with the flow.

Our fav park is AK, so it has to be a nice day. This is not a good park on a dreary day. Now with FOP, we would have to go there for that ride, but may move elsewhere for the remainder of the day. We hate to plan eating out too much. Very willing to eat at the counter service, or catch a place that has an opening. That way, the time is not locked down.

Sounds like it will be a great trip - and agree with others - you will not do it all unless you are staying for a month!!!
 
I used to an uber planner, and now I am much more ready to scrap a FP or even a whole afternoon's worth of plans, because the kids want to take their time doing something else. There is definitely more of a sense of magic when you stop to experience the parks from your child's POV rather than running from FP to FP or checking the app after every ride to see which one has the shortest wait times.

It's a balancing act between scheduling attractions for low waits, someone's low tolerance for waiting, and taking advantage of the spur-of-the-moment magic. I certainly have more fun when the kids, or traveling buddies, are happy. I love to plan but it's more about navigating opportunities than hitting everything. darn. thing.
 
OP ... You have made a VERY wise decision! The 2 or 3 trips prior to my latest Disney trip, I definitely overdid the planning and forgot to stop and smell the roses. I actually took two weeks this past fall and made a MUCH more flexible, slower-paced plan and was SOOOOO glad I did. My family was too!!!! It was HANDS DOWN the best trip we've ever had. Some of our favorite memories have nothing to do with a ride ...
  • Eating ice cream (tofutti for my dairy-allergic son) from Plaza Ice Cream while watching the parade go by
  • Strolling down the avenues and browsing the shops
  • Pin trading
  • The shooting gallery at Frontierland (and checkers)
  • Playing heads-up while waiting in line
  • Enjoying ALL that Animal Kingdom has to offer (some years we skipped this park because of the lack of 'rides')
  • Hoop-de-doo Revue on our off day
I just say all this to encourage you that this is the best possible thing you could have done! You may have to remind yourself a couple of times while you're there, but just remember that this isn't (just) about you (which was a wake-up call for me). See it through your daughter's eyes and it'll be your best trip ever! I can't wait to hear about it!!!!
 
Were you hungry? Sounds like YOU needed to eat. Food is important even when others in your party forget. ... Food is important. Planning for food is important. Getting a pearl out of some poor oyster is an experience, but food is actually important, and I would assume you were bringing his grandfather with you all.

No, I was not hungry. I just really really get irate at being late - this is the norm for me. That said, we ended up being only 5 minutes late for our reservation. As you can imagine, I also take the whole "be 15 minutes early for your ADR" a bit too seriously. And yes, my Dad was coming with us. We were browsing Mitsukoshi, having arrived early for our ADR. My Dad wanted to pick a pearl with his grandson and paid for the experience as soon as they set foot in the store because we had 30 minutes until our ADR time. Well, he didn't realize there were several people in front of him until after he'd paid and my son was all excited.

Learning to go with the flow has greatly improved my enjoyment of our Disney vacations - honest truth. I'm still a planner, but one who knows now that any plan made is not carved in stone. They are like everything Disney - subject to change!
 
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