The Genie Usage, Tips and Strategy ONLY Thread

$758 one way! Did American refund your fare PLUS $200? So you knew in time (or where smart enough) to NOT purchase G+ before the cancellation?

Late/cancelled flights are never fun, but for the start of your trip...terrible. I'm a little concerned about our Dec trip, it's VERY short and every little bit counts.
We got 4 tickets on a special fare. So they refunded the cost. Spirit was overbooked so they upped their prices. Fortunately they arrived 30 minutes early and we were able to purchase Remy and Frozen (paid $44 plus tax for 4 ppl; each ride) overlapping and go before our ADR. I did see Remy VQ open until around 6 pm. We didn’t get into the park until 7 pm.

AA knew weeks ahead they were understaffed and they should at least give a few days notice, they’re only liable for what you paid now and don’t even have to rebook you, they did try to put us on an alternate flight but very few seats were left (2 seats only, so they would split our party). The wait was 4 hrs to speak to an agent. We only got a notice a day before our flights. At least we didn’t waste $60 on genie+, so be careful if you’re booked on AA and purchasing Genie+ on your travel day.
 
We got 4 tickets on a special fare. So they refunded the cost. Spirit was overbooked so they upped their prices. Fortunately they arrived 30 minutes early and we were able to purchase Remy and Frozen (paid $44 plus tax for 4 ppl; each ride) overlapping and go before our ADR. I did see Remy VQ open until around 6 pm. We didn’t get into the park until 7 pm.

AA knew weeks ahead they were understaffed and they should at least give a few days notice, they’re only liable for what you paid now and don’t even have to rebook you, they did try to put us on an alternate flight but very few seats were left (2 seats only, so they would split our party). The wait was 4 hrs to speak to an agent. We only got a notice a day before our flights. At least we didn’t waste $60 on genie+, so be careful if you’re booked on AA and purchasing Genie+ on your travel day.

This sounds identical to what happened with Southwest a few weeks ago.

Air travel could be dicier than usual this holiday and winter season when big crowds and bad weather hit.

I would be careful about making non refundable, non cancellable reservations in advance for travel days.
 
Question about booking LL with G+: At 7AM does the Tip Board automatically populate with LL return times or do you have to refresh the page? And if refresh is required which I suspect, what is the fastest way to do this to get the return times up to be able to book? Any experiences with this? Thanks
 
We are here now and were able to ride Remy all 3 of our Epcot days just by doing the virtual queue. People who paid for LL were merged right in line with us and it looked like they waited the whole time we did once inside.
You can only do that tho if Epcot is your reserved park for the day correct? Otherwise you have to purchase the $ll? We are hopping to epcot
 
You can only do that tho if Epcot is your reserved park for the day correct? Otherwise you have to purchase the $ll? We are hopping to epcot

I tried to do the virtual queue at 1PM from HS, and it wouldn't let me. After you go into Epcot, it should let you, if there are slots left. I just paid $7 and booked for late at night.
 
You couldn't stack with maxpass?

Maxpass did work this way. Folks who studied maxpass could easily stack them up this way. There was a shorter grace period but it still worked this way. The difference was you had to have entered the parks to use maxpass. So you couldn't start stacking for a later arrival.

You could definitely stack with Maxpass using the 90 minute window. You could book one, wait 90 min, book another, wait 90 min, book another, etc etc. So you could have 3-4 passes using Maxpass for sure.

What you couldn't do is this new trick where you book something for 1-2 hours out, wait 120 minutes, book another, tap in to the ride and immediately book a 2nd. With Maxpass, you didn't immediately become eligible to book again anytime you tapped into a ride. You still had to finish your cooling off period (shorter of 90 min or start time of your window) before booking another, regardless of whether you tapped in.

So you could stack but you couldn't do this multi-threaded stacking. You also didn't have this scenario where you were better off waiting for the 120/90 period to end before riding.
 
So it's around 1:15 PM today and I'm looking at the tip board now and I see Haunted Mansion standby Line 45 Minutes and LL 2:40pm. What is the advantage to using LL in this situation when I can get on the ride faster in the standby line?
 
So it's around 1:15 PM today and I'm looking at the tip board now and I see Haunted Mansion standby Line 45 Minutes and LL 2:40pm. What is the advantage to using LL in this situation when I can get on the ride faster in the standby line?
the advantage is, you walk up and 2:40 and walk on in just a couple minutes, instead of standing in the line for 45 minutes.
 
Unsure if this has been asked, but I'm flying down on Sat Nov 6th. I bought Genie+ cause why not. Would I be allowed to make ride selections for later that day starting at 7am? Or do I have to physically be on property for that to work?
 
We got back yesterday and I will give my analysis of Genie +. During our trip, I jotted down the posted standby time and our actual wait on all of our LL rides (I'm a dork). I've already put this in a spreadsheet and done some cost/benefit analysis (like I said, I'm a dork).

We had 7 day tickets for 3 of us (me, husband, daughter) as well as 2 day tickets for my college aged son who flew down separately for the weekend. We also had Park Hoppers. Over those 7 days, we purchased 7 ILL$ ranging from a total of $29 (Space for 3) to $60 (FOP for 4). We did run into a little snag our first day because I bought ROTR ILL for us at 7am but couldn't get one for my son because he wasn't on our hotel reservation. We went to Guest Services as soon as we got to HS and they were nice enough to give us a recovery pass for him - so saved us $15 there. Total we spent almost $300 on those 7 ILL$ - more than I had planned to... it's very easy to drop 30 bucks on Space Mountain when you don't feel like standing in line for 45 minutes. We got FOP and ROTR twice each, plus Everest, Space and Remy. I wouldn't recommend doing Everest since you can ride single rider... but my son wanted us all to ride together, so we spent the money. In total, we saved ourselves about 4.5 hours for our group.

For Genie Plus, we spent $367 total and rode 33 rides. We saved a total of 13.5 hrs for our group. On our best day, we rode 8 rides and saved about 5 hours. On our worst day, we rode 2 rides and saved only 15 minutes - that was our EPCOT day where the plan was to do F&W. I had made a decision ahead of time that I'd rather waste money on that day then have to buy Genie + every morning for the other 6 days. I still standby that, but admit I could have saved myself some money buying it on a day by day basis. We averaged 5 rides with LL per day.

If I divide the time saved by what we spent, then I estimate the cost per hour saved as $37 for our group or $11 if you look at the time saved as multiplying by each person. I'm not sure the $11 is valid since we would be together anyway, but that treats the time of each individual as having a value. So essentially, I have to decide is paying $37/hour to NOT stand in line was worth it for me. Since I hate standing in line, I think I would lean towards saying that it is. I definitely feel like if you plan the Genie+ game well you can get more done than with the FP system. I really like that I could hop with it, since we hopped every day except for the EPCOT F&W day.

Final note, be aware that buying your ILL$ ahead of time can be a crap-shoot in terms of how much time you'll save. For rides where it runs out (ROTR and FOP) or if you are trying to get a certain time, you have no choice but to buy in the morning but you can't always know what the standby will look like. Our example is probably an anomaly - but I bought FOP one day because we wanted to ride it before our Sanaa dinner so we needed a specific time. It rained that day and the parks cleared out... when we rode FOP the standby was FIVE minutes!! So glad I spent that $30, lol.

All in all - great trip. I'm a project manager and planner by nature, so I had no problem with constantly getting LL and trying to stack (got up to 3 at a time one day) - I actually found it fun. But I could see how it may be stressful for other folks.

Hope this helps someone!
 
Unsure if this has been asked, but I'm flying down on Sat Nov 6th. I bought Genie+ cause why not. Would I be allowed to make ride selections for later that day starting at 7am? Or do I have to physically be on property for that to work?
Yes, you can do it before you get there.
 
Unsure if this has been asked, but I'm flying down on Sat Nov 6th. I bought Genie+ cause why not. Would I be allowed to make ride selections for later that day starting at 7am? Or do I have to physically be on property for that to work?

Resort guests get to start earlier, but I was able to do it when I wan't even in the right park. We were able to use it hopping, and it adjusted to after 2 for hopping hours. The system relies on park reservations. If you don't have a park reservation (or a hopper for after 2) it won't let you do anything in that park.

We changed parks, and we had to cancel the park reservation and make a new one to get the whole thing to work.
 
We got back yesterday and I will give my analysis of Genie +. During our trip, I jotted down the posted standby time and our actual wait on all of our LL rides (I'm a dork). I've already put this in a spreadsheet and done some cost/benefit analysis (like I said, I'm a dork).

We had 7 day tickets for 3 of us (me, husband, daughter) as well as 2 day tickets for my college aged son who flew down separately for the weekend. We also had Park Hoppers. Over those 7 days, we purchased 7 ILL$ ranging from a total of $29 (Space for 3) to $60 (FOP for 4). We did run into a little snag our first day because I bought ROTR ILL for us at 7am but couldn't get one for my son because he wasn't on our hotel reservation. We went to Guest Services as soon as we got to HS and they were nice enough to give us a recovery pass for him - so saved us $15 there. Total we spent almost $300 on those 7 ILL$ - more than I had planned to... it's very easy to drop 30 bucks on Space Mountain when you don't feel like standing in line for 45 minutes. We got FOP and ROTR twice each, plus Everest, Space and Remy. I wouldn't recommend doing Everest since you can ride single rider... but my son wanted us all to ride together, so we spent the money. In total, we saved ourselves about 4.5 hours for our group.

For Genie Plus, we spent $367 total and rode 33 rides. We saved a total of 13.5 hrs for our group. On our best day, we rode 8 rides and saved about 5 hours. On our worst day, we rode 2 rides and saved only 15 minutes - that was our EPCOT day where the plan was to do F&W. I had made a decision ahead of time that I'd rather waste money on that day then have to buy Genie + every morning for the other 6 days. I still standby that, but admit I could have saved myself some money buying it on a day by day basis. We averaged 5 rides with LL per day.

If I divide the time saved by what we spent, then I estimate the cost per hour saved as $37 for our group or $11 if you look at the time saved as multiplying by each person. I'm not sure the $11 is valid since we would be together anyway, but that treats the time of each individual as having a value. So essentially, I have to decide is paying $37/hour to NOT stand in line was worth it for me. Since I hate standing in line, I think I would lean towards saying that it is. I definitely feel like if you plan the Genie+ game well you can get more done than with the FP system. I really like that I could hop with it, since we hopped every day except for the EPCOT F&W day.

Final note, be aware that buying your ILL$ ahead of time can be a crap-shoot in terms of how much time you'll save. For rides where it runs out (ROTR and FOP) or if you are trying to get a certain time, you have no choice but to buy in the morning but you can't always know what the standby will look like. Our example is probably an anomaly - but I bought FOP one day because we wanted to ride it before our Sanaa dinner so we needed a specific time. It rained that day and the parks cleared out... when we rode FOP the standby was FIVE minutes!! So glad I spent that $30, lol.

All in all - great trip. I'm a project manager and planner by nature, so I had no problem with constantly getting LL and trying to stack (got up to 3 at a time one day) - I actually found it fun. But I could see how it may be stressful for other folks.

Hope this helps someone!
GREAT breakdown! Love the analysis! Can you give the example of how you were able to stack and get up to 3 one day? Thanks in advance!
 
GREAT breakdown! Love the analysis! Can you give the example of how you were able to stack and get up to 3 one day? Thanks in advance!
Sure. We had a day where we wanted to do all 4 parks - something we've always wanted to do. We roped dropped AK and did everything standby or single rider - rode FOP, Everest 4 times and Safari. We were back at the hotel (Swan) by 11am to take a nap.

At 7am, I got online and got a paid ROTR (2:25pm) and SDD (2:50pm). I got SDD first and that was the time it gave me - it will automatically go to past 2pm if it isn't your park reservation.

At 11am (2 hrs past park open), back at the hotel, I got a TOT LL at 2pm.

At 1pm (back at hotel, after my nap), I got TSMM at 2:55pm.

So then we had 3 stacked for HS + an ILL, all to use between 2 and 4pm. We walked over from Swan, got about 2:15. We did TOT first, then ROTR and then hung out in GE for a bit until 2:45... then walked over to Toy Story land and rode SDD and TSMM. As soon as we rode TOT, I got a LL for Test Track (4:55pm) and then grabbed Soarin (4:55pm) after we rode SDD. I could have gotten a 3rd one after TSMM, but there wasn't anything else we wanted to ride at EPCOT.

We were walking out of HS around 4:15 - so 4 rides done in 2 hours. Took the boat to EPCOT, got there at 5 and rode Soarin and Test Track. So at this point I had two stacked - I replaced those with rides at MK (Buzz and BTMR, I think) and kept 2 going until we left MK at close.
 
Sure. We had a day where we wanted to do all 4 parks - something we've always wanted to do. We roped dropped AK and did everything standby or single rider - rode FOP, Everest 4 times and Safari. We were back at the hotel (Swan) by 11am to take a nap.

At 7am, I got online and got a paid ROTR (2:25pm) and SDD (2:50pm). I got SDD first and that was the time it gave me - it will automatically go to past 2pm if it isn't your park reservation.

At 11am (2 hrs past park open), back at the hotel, I got a TOT LL at 2pm.

At 1pm (back at hotel, after my nap), I got TSMM at 2:55pm.

So then we had 3 stacked for HS + an ILL, all to use between 2 and 4pm. We walked over from Swan, got about 2:15. We did TOT first, then ROTR and then hung out in GE for a bit until 2:45... then walked over to Toy Story land and rode SDD and TSMM. As soon as we rode TOT, I got a LL for Test Track (4:55pm) and then grabbed Soarin (4:55pm) after we rode SDD. I could have gotten a 3rd one after TSMM, but there wasn't anything else we wanted to ride at EPCOT.

We were walking out of HS around 4:15 - so 4 rides done in 2 hours. Took the boat to EPCOT, got there at 5 and rode Soarin and Test Track. So at this point I had two stacked - I replaced those with rides at MK (Buzz and BTMR, I think) and kept 2 going until we left MK at close.
Thank you again! So the key is to park hop so you can make LL choices past 2 and then can use the 2 hours windows to make more. One more quick question, is the 2 hours past park open the one you have a park reservation for (in your case AK) or is it the one you made your 7am reservation for (HS)?
 
Thank you again! So the key is to park hop so you can make LL choices past 2 and then can use the 2 hours windows to make more. One more quick question, is the 2 hours past park open the one you have a park reservation for (in your case AK) or is it the one you made your 7am reservation for (HS)?
It is two hours past the open time of the park you made your 7am reservation in.
 

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