Genie+, LL, LL+ - Can you book the a LL or LL+ for a 2nd Park before entering that park with a ParkHopper ticket?

[pineapplepalms]

Is this considered a loophole? It’s very similar to how MP worked so I think it’s just the way it’s meant to work, and there will be power users who know how to stack and maximize the system.

 

[ENJDisneyFan]

Is this considered a loophole? It’s very similar to how MP worked so I think it’s just the way it’s meant to work, and there will be power users who know how to stack and maximize the system.

Exactly! I don’t think it’s as much a loophole as it is a different strategy. Some people might prefer this stacking for the later park, others might prefer to use as many as they can by starting earlier in the day. Different strategies for different touring strategies.

 

[diskids2]

Loophole is this:

If AK is your first park do not make any LL selections for it. Show up and do standby only. As an onsite guest you can start booking at 7:00am. In you MDX add MK as your park hop of choice. At 7:00am you can start booking LL's for MK. It will know it is your park hop so it will only offer you next available slots after 2:00pm. So in this situation you can buy 2 ILL's and book 1 LL at 7:00am for MK. At 11:00am you can then book another LL for MK, and then another one at 1:00pm. That is now 5 attractions booked. Once in MK you can then book your 6th LL at 3:00pm.

Key here is do not book anything for your first park that you have a reservation with that day. Only use standby

Excellent explanation! Thank you

 

[dingleberry]

Based on that loophole above, I was thinking about one of my days where I am not planning to go to MK until around 3:00 that day (resort relaxation for the AM).

Wouldn't it make sense to select one of the other parks as my park that day, and start making G+ selections for MK at 7:00 as my "hopper" park?

 

[ENJDisneyFan]

Based on that loophole above, I was thinking about one of my days where I am not planning to go to MK until around 3:00 that day (resort relaxation for the AM).

Wouldn't it make sense to select one of the other parks as my park that day, and start making G+ selections for MK at 7:00 as my "hopper" park?

You could, but remember that you have to tap into your reserved park before you’re allowed to hop to another park.

 

[keishashadow]

Please help. I’ve used max pass @ DL, not quite catching this change @ WDW.

My scenario:

will be day guests next Monday as APH. Have park reservations @ MK that day.

Not interested in buying genie+ that day, will try out genie system to get a feel for it before our next onsite trip the end of November.

thought occurred to me it might be feasible to try to purchase a ILL$ for Remy To use after visiting MK. Unclear how that works for offsite guests tho.

Can I (as offsite guest) purchase ILL$ in the MDX app? Do I need to go to epcot gates? Hoping it doesn’t require actually entering the park.

Was thinking we could take the monorail from Epcot (opens at 10 am that day). I‘m inquiring on transportation forum when the monorail starts to run up to MK…9 am?

Something seems off re the above, I just can’t put my finger on it.

 

[DavidNYC]

Is this considered a loophole? It’s very similar to how MP worked so I think it’s just the way it’s meant to work, and there will be power users who know how to stack and maximize the system.

Well - there is no official definition of loophole and this is seemingly working as designed . It’s a “loophole” in the sense that there is a way to reserve rides outside of the strict sequential distribution system which could have some trickle down effects. That’s not to say it’s “bad” or “good”. It’s just an exception to how the system generally works.

My take is this will be fine but if too many people take advantage of it, the effects on mid-day park availability may take a hit which could cause some adjustments. (Such as return times advance 5-10 minutes at a time but then suddenly jump from 2pm to 4pm due to all the hopping people having taken those return times earlier). Unless we see those dramatic jumps - no reason to alter the ability to do this (And would likely be my strategy on some days!!!

 

[tinabina919]

What about the stacking of ILL? If I am going to MK in the morning and hopping to HS can I buy both Mine Train for the morning and Rise for after 2pm at 7am?

 

[Marionnette]

What about the stacking of ILL? If I am going to MK in the morning and hopping to HS can I buy both Mine Train for the morning and Rise for after 2pm at 7am?

Yes. You can book ILL$ at different parks but not more than two ILL$ total for the day. When you attempt to book ROTR you will need to tap the "change park" link near the top of your tip board and then choose HS. Then scroll down to ROTR to purchase. Don't worry if the displayed return time is before 2 PM. Genie knows that you can't hop to HS until after 2:00 and will allow you to select from 1-hour intervals (i.e. 2 PM, 3 PM, 4 PM, etc). Choose the people in your group who will ride. Choose a hour that suits you and you will be given a number of return times from which to choose (e.g. 3:10, 3:25, 3:50). You pick one and pay on the next screen.

 

[ENJDisneyFan]

Can I (as offsite guest) purchase ILL$ in the MDX app? Do I need to go to epcot gates? Hoping it doesn’t require actually entering the park.

Offsite guests can purchase ILL$ at the time of park opening. The unanswered question is which park's opening....I believe it's the park you have a reservation for, but it might also be the park you're booking in? In either case, you will be able to buy the ILL$ pass for the park you're hopping into via the app. No need to go to the park. You will need to add the hopping park onto your Tip Board and then the options for that park will be available to purchase for 2pm or later.

 

[TillyMarigold]

I would think to make an I$LL for Remy, it would be at the Epcot opening time even if you will be at MK earlier. Otherwise, it would give hoppers a significant advantage over those with a park reservation for Epcot.

Touring Plans tested this. You can make reservations for your 2nd park starting at the time that the park you have reservations opens at. So if AK opens at 8 and Epcot at 10, if you have a reservation at AK, you can book an ILL for Remy at 8 (but it will be for after 2 pm).

 

[keishashadow]

Thank you !

In either case, you will be able to buy the ILL$ pass for the park you're hopping into via the app. No need to go to the park. You will need to add the hopping park onto your Tip Board and then the options for that park will be available to purchase for 2pm or later.

& this would be accomplished only on day of re purchase the after 2 pm ILL$

have read some sort of issue for those with APs during the rollout, believe it pertained to adding genie+ Still trying to figure that out on MDX app, need to watch some tutorials me thinks.

 

[DisneyKidds]

So it’s been confirmed that you can hold more than 2 G+ LL reservations at a time, depending upon the timing of the returns?

 

[ckelly14]

Can someone explain this to me:
Similar to Disneyland’s old Disney MaxPass, only one selection can be held at a time, with the exception being when a guest’s next selection time window is more than 120 minutes away. In that case, Disney Genie+ will allow a second selection to be held.

So if I have a 9AM Genie+ selection it will allow me to also hold a 11AM selection?

 

[amylevan]

Can someone explain this to me:
Similar to Disneyland’s old Disney MaxPass, only one selection can be held at a time, with the exception being when a guest’s next selection time window is more than 120 minutes away. In that case, Disney Genie+ will allow a second selection to be held.

So if I have a 9AM Genie+ selection it will allow me to also hold a 11AM selection?

You can make an additional G+ reservations 120 min after you make the first one - starting at park opening. So if you make a reservation at 7 am, and you return times is after 11, you can make an additional one 2 hours after park opening. So technically a 9 and an 11 will not work.

But if you get a return time of say 1:00, you can make another one beginning at 11:00 for a 9:00 opening, potentially before that 1:00. Enabling you to have 2 at one time.

 

[DisneyFive]

Loophole is this:

If AK is your first park do not make any LL selections for it. Show up and do standby only. As an onsite guest you can start booking at 7:00am. In you MDX add MK as your park hop of choice. At 7:00am you can start booking LL's for MK. It will know it is your park hop so it will only offer you next available slots after 2:00pm. So in this situation you can buy 2 ILL's and book 1 LL at 7:00am for MK. At 11:00am you can then book another LL for MK, and then another one at 1:00pm. That is now 5 attractions booked. Once in MK you can then book your 6th LL at 3:00pm.

Key here is do not book anything for your first park that you have a reservation with that day. Only use standby

Yeah, I wouldn't call it a loophole. I mean, you can purchase two ILL and also stack G+ at your reserved park too. No difference.

Dan

 

[monkeybug]

This reminds me of the days when they didn't enforce return times on the paper fast passes. We would run around gathering them in the morning for the popular rides while taking advantage of short standby lines, and then use them in the afternoon. This is a much easier option that sounds like it offers the same advantage!

 

[snikki]

I don’t think it’s a loophole. I think it works to Disney’s advantage someway somehow.

 

[DisneyFive]

This reminds me of the days when they didn't enforce return times on the paper fast passes. We would run around gathering them in the morning for the popular rides while taking advantage of short standby lines, and then use them in the afternoon. This is a much easier option that sounds like it offers the same advantage!

The main difference is that you will now need to return in the 1 hour G+ window for each reservation. (including the 5 minute early and 15 minute late grace period)

The reason you could stack them with paper fastpasses is because they never enforced the late return window. I do remember those days fondly by the way.

Dan

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

Loophole is this:

If AK is your first park do not make any LL selections for it. Show up and do standby only. As an onsite guest you can start booking at 7:00am. In you MDX add MK as your park hop of choice. At 7:00am you can start booking LL's for MK. It will know it is your park hop so it will only offer you next available slots after 2:00pm. So in this situation you can buy 2 ILL's and book 1 LL at 7:00am for MK. At 11:00am you can then book another LL for MK, and then another one at 1:00pm. That is now 5 attractions booked. Once in MK you can then book your 6th LL at 3:00pm.

Key here is do not book anything for your first park that you have a reservation with that day. Only use standby

Why not book your second G+ LL at 11 at AK, use it and each time you tap in book another AK ride, until midday or whenever you leave for lunch and then book a second G+LL at MK? I think this gives the same result as your option, but you get some extra use of G+ at AK.