Church Burned Down for Fighting Virus Restrictions

[oceanview2020]

He wasn't a victim...not using your real name online is Internet 101.

If a poster was threatened by a stranger, they are in fact a victim. Regardless of what “Internet 10” may teach us, it doesn’t change the fact that what the threatening poster did was harassment.

That is one of those things that “just because you can, doesn’t mean you should”. Being a decent human 101.

 

[wenrob]

I'm hopeful that everyone here would consider burning a church down for political reasons despicable.

However, sometimes the first information we receive through the news media raises suspicions.

This case is like that, and we won't know what really happened until the investigation is complete. Or not -- arson cases are notoriously difficult to track down to the actual perpetrators. Determining that a fire was arson is pretty straightforward. Identifying who did it, and proving they did it, not so much.

We had another one of those "Huh?" cases the last two days, actually not far from our house.

A woman was run off the road and forced to stop, and then two men tried to rob her of drugs. She didn't have any drugs, so they kidnapped her 9 year old autistic son. Amber alert was issued, but the next day police found his body in a lake at a nearby golf course. Pretty straightforward, right? Not so fast.

She was "forced off the road" in a gigantic Home Depot parking lot that holds 300-500 cars and is constantly crowded with people, including dozens of casual workers sitting around waiting for someone to offer them work. But nobody saw anything, and nobody called the police. Further investigation revealed a surveillance video that showed her driving into the parking lot -- alone in the car, with no other car confronting her -- where she sat for 20 minutes before calling the police and giving them the above story.

Following a lengthy interview yesterday, she was arrested for murdering her son.

I’m referring to the hateful posts that were almost instantaneous.

That is a horrible story. I have too much of a Dateline habit because I guessed where you were going with it about two sentences in. Sometimes if you if you think you smell something, you actually do. I have no idea why that church was burned and don’t presume to, I just think it’s awful.

 

[Searc]

If a poster was threatened by a stranger, they are in fact a victim. Regardless of what “Internet 10” may teach us, it doesn’t change the fact that what the threatening poster did was harassment.

That is one of those things that “just because you can, doesn’t mean you should”. Being a decent human 101.

You're assuming it's true.

Please do both of us a favor and add me to your ignore list.

 

[JimMIA]

I’m referring to the hateful posts that were almost instantaneous.

That is a horrible story. I have too much of a Dateline habit because I guessed where you were going with it about two sentences in. Sometimes if you if you think you smell something, you actually do. I have no idea why that church was burned and don’t presume to, I just think it’s awful.

Yeah, and it gets a LOT worse, but I'll spare everyone the details.

Spidey-sense is certainly not always right; it's been wrong plenty of times. But it is a useful little alarm bell that you develop after hearing hundreds of these stories.

 

[oceanview2020]

You're assuming it's true.

Please do both of us a favor and add me to your ignore list.

Which is what the word “if” means. I don’t have a clue if it’s true or who the posters even are. But IF someone did that then I stand by my statement.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

How on earth are DIS'ers getting each other's phone numbers? I guess I'd make a terrible stalker; I wouldn't even know where to start.

I had to do a lot of sleuthing when I worked at the insurance company (a lot of google earth searching too at people's homes and other things for the auto side). Granted they had LexisNexis but honestly I rarely used that. You don't actually need people's names necessarily either; just depends on what you're looking for. And yes it's a bit astonishing at what you can locate.

But people going after someone like that, and I know exactly who the poster is referring to, is a terrible low and awful thing to do.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

As far as the original topic per my usual I'll take it case by case.

I think there are a variety of reasonings that could be it, hateful rhetorical is an option, some other reason not related to someone's racial or ethnic background but still an attack against someone, insurance fraud is too (just depends on the insurance policy the church had), anger at an entity going against public safety concerns (I guess I could see burning down a building so you could no longer use such building--doesn't mean worshippers couldn't find another building to use though), etc

I do hope they find who did it and the reason for it.

 

[JimMIA]

As far as the original topic per my usual I'll take it case by case.

I think there are a variety of reasonings that could be it, hateful rhetorical is an option, some other reason not related to someone's racial or ethnic background but still an attack against someone, insurance fraud is too (just depends on the insurance policy the church had), anger at an entity going against public safety concerns (I guess I could see burning down a building so you could no longer use such building--doesn't mean worshippers couldn't find another building to use though), etc

I do hope they find who did it and the reason for it.

I can see several hypotheticals, but I have no idea what the real motivation was, obviously.

• I do NOT see any evidence, or even any claims, of racism -- so I discount that one.
• Political retribution by someone who disagreed with the church's violations of closure/health regulations. To me, that's a giant leap, but you never know with people these days. This is the leading candidate from the scant early information.
• Self-inflicted "attack" by someone in the church to draw sympathy for their political position. The graffiti was a little too convenient, and that makes this cynic wonder.
• Accident - possibly from a warning or self-inflicted "attack" gone bad. It's possible someone wrote some graffiti, started a small fire, and some accelerant exploded. The story said there was a large explosion from the rear of the building, so it's possible that a minor fire set to make a point caused a much bigger problem and burned the whole place down.

And, of course, there are about a million other possibilities.

 

[kdonnel]

You're assuming it's true.

It is true.

Here is the Google Voice transcription of the call.


The world is full of psychopaths.

Click here to listen to the voicemail

 

[oceanview2020]

I can see several hypotheticals, but I have no idea what the real motivation was, obviously.

• I do NOT see any evidence, or even any claims, of racism -- so I discount that one.
• Political retribution by someone who disagreed with the church's violations of closure/health regulations. To me, that's a giant leap, but you never know with people these days. This is the leading candidate from the scant early information.
• Self-inflicted "attack" by someone in the church to draw sympathy for their political position. The graffiti was a little too convenient, and that makes this cynic wonder.
• Accident - possibly from a warning or self-inflicted "attack" gone bad. It's possible someone wrote some graffiti, started a small fire, and some accelerant exploded. The story said there was a large explosion from the rear of the building, so it's possible that a minor fire set to make a point caused a much bigger problem and burned the whole place down.

And, of course, there are about a million other possibilities.

If I am being completely honest, I don’t think it was anyone in the church but I don’t think it was anyone who really had a problem with them having services either. I think it was someone loitering and they started a fire and accidentally burnt the church down. The graffiti was added for “effect”.

Or it was someone who may be on either side of the “open up” debate and decided in their warped mind that this would bring attention either way. The misspelling in the graffiti is just too easy.

And the timing is wonky since the state has been opening up.

 

[oceanview2020]

It is true.

Here is the Google Voice transcription of the call.
View attachment 496617

The world is full of psychopaths.

Oh my! That is crazy!!

Odd that the pp said you used your whole name but you don’t!

 

[JimMIA]

It is true.

Here is the Google Voice transcription of the call.
View attachment 496617

The world is full of psychopaths.

And odder still that you POSTED your real name!

Unless of course, it's not really your name and you are actually in compliance with Searc's good Internet 101 advice.

 

[kdonnel]

And odder still that you POSTED your real name!

Unless of course, it's not really your name and you are actually in compliance with Searc's good Internet 101 advice.

It is my real name. My identity has been stolen so many times, my name is in so many public records databases. It is real easy to find using the domains referenced in my signature. No reason to hide.

 

[Searc]

It is true.

Here is the Google Voice transcription of the call.
View attachment 496617

The world is full of psychopaths.

Click here to listen to the voicemail

That it is.

What was the police's response? I see no threat in a nasty voicemail.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I can see several hypotheticals, but I have no idea what the real motivation was, obviously.

• I do NOT see any evidence, or even any claims, of racism -- so I discount that one.
• Political retribution by someone who disagreed with the church's violations of closure/health regulations. To me, that's a giant leap, but you never know with people these days. This is the leading candidate from the scant early information.
• Self-inflicted "attack" by someone in the church to draw sympathy for their political position. The graffiti was a little too convenient, and that makes this cynic wonder.
• Accident - possibly from a warning or self-inflicted "attack" gone bad. It's possible someone wrote some graffiti, started a small fire, and some accelerant exploded. The story said there was a large explosion from the rear of the building, so it's possible that a minor fire set to make a point caused a much bigger problem and burned the whole place down.

And, of course, there are about a million other possibilities.

Yup it's possible to be a lot of things. I tend to keep an open mind because sometimes it really is this but other times it's really that. I think it's ok to consider a variety of reasons just have to make sure not to zero in on one without much evidence to support it (yet at least)

Just last night or the day before a playground in our metro was burned down to the ground by vandals..no idea why yet but they said vandals; honestly I could see someone inadvertently starting the fire but not notifying anyone but who knows if it had malicious intent.

The town where my alma mater is at located about 30miles from me also has a Native American university there. A few weeks ago a ceremonial teepee meant to celebrate the recent grads was burned to the ground. The person who was eventually arrested is actually a Native American themselves. I don't believe they've given a motive for that one however from what I was told many times over by students who went there when I worked with them not all the tribes get along and some of them it goes into the hatred category. I'll reserve judgement on that one until, well if ever, more information on the motive happens.

People surprise ya ya know sometimes the motives (if ever found) shock ya and sometimes they don't.

 

[jamescanuck2001]

Maybe just a regular old pyromaniac doing what he/she considers to be fun, with spray painted graffiti for the heck of it.

Maybe a false flag operation?

We may never know.

 

[kdonnel]

That it is.

What was the police's response? I see no threat in a nasty voicemail.

I never contacted the police. I assumed it was a passionate psychopath and no more, nothing or no one to worry about.

 

[JimMIA]

What was the police's response? I see no threat in a nasty voicemail.

If he had reported it, the police would have said "No crime, no foul." There is no crime, just displeasure.

The transcription also doesn't seem psychopathic to me either. Illiterate, yes (although that is probably Google), but psychopaths rarely leave phone mails in my limited experience.

To me, it's just some zealot of one flavor or another making a donkey out of themselves.

What would be fun would be to post the AUDIO file of the call here so everyone could hear the person's voice!

 

[oceanview2020]

I am just floored that anyone went to the trouble to find anyone’s phone number and leave any kind of voicemail. That is just stepping over a line imo.

I mean there is getting angry over a post or thread and then there is crazy angry.

@kdonnel do you know who it was?

 

[kdonnel]

I am just floored that anyone went to the trouble to find anyone’s phone number and leave any kind of voicemail. That is just stepping over a line imo.

I mean there is getting angry over a post or thread and then there is crazy angry.

@kdonnel do you know who it was?

Nope